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Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Post by carlosjobim »

nicbou wrote: post #481
carlosjobim wrote: post #453

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People pay thousands of dollars for immigration assistance, even if you're just filling out paperwork. If you want to make money from your webpage, you could simply offer to help them with these things for a fee. And leave the information up if you want, for the people who don't want to pay. Also, the more information you have up, the more comfortable people will be to hire you. E-mails from people who want free advi…

Affiliate income is tied to the size of my audience. Income from relocation assistance is tied to the number of hours in a day. So far I have made more money doing less work, and it helped far more people. I’d much rather help a greater number of people for free than the well-off minority that can afford my time. I’d sooner run my business into the ground than change this.

Since you're an expert in the field, the time you spend on an individual client is much less than what the person would spend figuring it out for themselves. And time is money. Whether a person is rich or poor.

I think you are thinking and operating in the old paradigm, thinking that somebody spending a few hundred dollars on getting expert help on the Internet is outrageous, even if it's a life changing spend. Would you consider somebody spending a few hundred dollars on expert advice in a fancy office to be outrageous? Then consider that your expertise is way higher. There's nothing wrong with you charging for your immigration services and expertise. And as I said, you can still offer as much information for free as you please. It's only better for sales.

Google does not owe you any traffic and they don't owe you any business income from affiliate links or ads. Zero. If you don't like Google using the information on your website that you are giving away for free, then it only takes a few minutes to remove your domain from Google.

You can combine giving information for free with getting paid for your work. But you can't demand that Google pays for that.

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Post by zblevins »

kylebenzle wrote: post #165
zblevins wrote: post #53

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Where are you publishing your guides? Would love to add another bookmark to my collection.

Do you just like collecting links to online "guides" to anything? No preference for any subject matter, just a collection of random "guides"? Interesting, you could make a guide for that!

You could say that. I have found that a lot of guides produced by folks on Hacker News to be generally interesting. Probably too much free time? Either way a guide of guides does seem like a good use of that free time.

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Post by zblevins »

nicbou wrote: post #109
zblevins wrote: post #53

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Where are you publishing your guides? Would love to add another bookmark to my collection.

Unless you are thinking of moving to Germany, it might not be helpful to you. https://allaboutberlin.com

You’re correct but this is pretty interesting and I’m sure helpful for people in Berlin!

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Post by glenstein »

jazzypants wrote: post #442
glenstein wrote: post #395

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I've had a conversation almost exactly like this too, about an obscure dos based 3d fighting game. And some pessimistic instinct tells me I should worry, like this capability will be optimized away in future versions. It's like that precise pang of satisfaction is tied to a jaded feeling that I can't trust it to last if it ultimately depends on infrastructure and incentives that will lead openai toward eating the wor…

Let me guess: One Must Fall 2097 or FX Fighter?

I loved One Must Fall, but it's not that and it was a lot more similar to FX fighter, but older and more grainy. I don't think I ever actually found out what it was.

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Post by kotaKat »

masa331 wrote: post #250
kotaKat wrote: post #141

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I just want to be able to turn the stupid overview off. That's all. One simple toggle. I don't get why a Google Workspaces account can have Gemini forcibly disabled across the entire enterprise yet still have these AI features seep in with no way to manage it at the enterprise level.

Why don't you use Kagi? It has better search and you can customize a lot of things, even turning off their LLM

Because it gives money to people I don’t want to have that money, even if I turn off any features related to the people that I don’t want to have money.

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Post by freediver »

fl0id wrote: post #251
masa331 wrote: post #240

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Why don't you use Kagi?

Probably because it costs money and it also likely also will quickly succumb to sloppification by experimenting with their own ai and having an unstable founder…

> having an unstable founder

I can assure you that force is strong with me.

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Post by jayd16 »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #450
jayd16 wrote: post #190

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I'm still waiting for the AI service that turns those 10 minute videos into a text tutorial with photos. I think it's pretty damning that it's not a built in YouTube feature by now.

let's go kantian and imagine everyone would use such a service why would someone create a 10 minute video if no one would watch it and they would get no money for it?

I assume some folks prefer the videos but if not, then why are they getting made?

The creator can use the tool themselves and post it with ads. In fact, I'd prefer it.

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Post by fulafel »

bradgessler wrote: post #441
sersi wrote: post #376

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As an aside, I tried to love ddg before using kagi but I'd always revert to google with !g and end up not finding anything because google has sucked for the past 5 years I've been using kagi and I've noticed that the only time I ever switch to google is for things that are truly local to where I am at the moment (restaurants, etc..). Kagi is really great. I've also been testing perplexity and I'm not that convinced y…

The thing I don’t like about Kagi is how you have to be logged in with an email to search. I wish they’d setup something like Mullvad where you get an account number, pay for said account, and that’s it.

Last I looked, it's not a verified email, you can use it as a random id, and they even documented that. (Maybe it changed?)

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Post by KetoManx64 »

Lewton wrote: post #340
potsandpans wrote: post #42

Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…

A week ago, I was looking for the name of a semi obscure late 90ies computer game. Google could not help me given the description i gave Described it to ChatGPT, and we had a back and forth where I explained why the games it suggested me weren’t right, it eventually found the correct game (Nocturne) and was able to explain to me that half of the things I remembered from the game were just plain wrong, and that’s why…

I've done the same thing with movies quite a few times now. I'd mention a scene or two from the movie and approximately what decade it came out in and some of the themes of the movie and after a couple of back and forths it was able to return the name that I had forgotten.

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Post by fivestones »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #410
potsandpans wrote: post #42

Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…

I didn't paraphrase, I put the exact quote[1] I had copied earlier from goodreads in google and got garbage. I use only local LLM's, So if anyone has Open AI's search tools give it a shot. [1] "Few hundred years of Western society that we have lost the ability to memorise vast amounts of information." ― Lynne Kelly, Memory Craft: Improve your memory using the most powerful methods from around the world

I tried with OpenAI’s o1 model and it came up with the right answer on the second try: https://chatgpt.com/share/6774a930-1e44-8013-8591-424c3b58d8...
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