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Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by that_guy_iain »

chefandy wrote: post #490
that_guy_iain wrote: post #488

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> a) In what universe would any attorney take up a lawsuit against a moneyed company with nothing but testimony from one person? Well, you take up the lawsuit with not much. You get most of the evidence during discovery. And this is quite a common thing someone says "This happened to me" they sue and get discovery. So this universe. > b) I made none of those other arguments and they're irrelevant to my single-sentenc…

> Well, you take up the lawsuit with not much. You get most of the evidence during discovery. And this is quite a common thing someone says "This happened to me" they sue and get discovery. So this universe. > I said if _ALL_ they have is him it lacks legs. ... so you're referring to instances where discovery didn't yield anything useful but the attorney keeps litigating against a company with a ton of resources base…

> ... if the attorney does not find any evidence during discovery, they don't just keep going.

Sure they do, because as you're pointing out in some cases witness testimony can be enough. And sometimes the damage of the PR can be enough to make them settle.

> Ok, Perry Mason. Re-read the single sentence question I asked and then tell me how that implies I'm some sort of conspiracy theorist.

No one said anything about you being anything other than extremely ignorant of the subject. Being ignorant doesn't make you anything other than ignorant.

>Are you seriously implying testimony does not influence the outcome of a trial without cross-examination.

No, I'm telling you the literal reason they have witnesses and don't just take their testimony.

And remember, this guy is a researcher the chances he is going to be super charismatic on the stand and sway people massively is as likely him going on SNL when he was alive.

In cases like this the expert witnesses are just there for facts and it's pretty dry. It's not that powerful like a murder victim's mother who found them dead. That's powerful.

> I'm done here.

Ask questions and then say I'm done here. Yea... You came in thinking you had a point and you're realising you don't but your ego won't allow you to stop replying and you need to keep going. You don't even need to admit your wrong you can just not reply.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by steeeeeve »

bdndndndbve wrote: post #311

This is extremely sad and I'm sorry for Suchir's family and friends. As someone who has struggled with suicidal ideation while working in the tech industry for over a decade, I do wonder if the insane culture of Bay Area tech has a part to play. Besides the extreme hustle culture mindset, there's also a kind of naive techno-optimism that can make you feel insane. You're surrounded by people who think breaking the law…

Mental health challenges in the bay area tech industry are real for a wide variety of reasons. There's a bigger push in silicon valley for work life balance and mental health care than anywhere else I've been, but more people with serious issues there than anywhere else I've been as well.

Imposter syndrome is high among engineers of all levels of experience and ability. Engineering has it's own set of pressures. Then you add in all the other reasons people can feel stressed or pressured and all of the bay area specific reasons those things are amplified. It adds up.

You would be surprised how many brilliant and highly capable people have broken down. For anyone out there feeling like they are all alone - don't. Even if all the people around you seem happy and confident, I guarantee that a larger portion of them than you realize are struggling.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by smeeger »

gregw2 wrote: post #489
smeeger wrote: post #401

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people kill themselves after lots of different stressful life events. the reason is that the stress induces depression/ mental dysfunction. the difference between people who do and dont, besides having the information or wisdom to put the situation in context and avoid the stress in the first place, is robustness of mental health. its a mental health issue not a jobs issue.

I think mental health is more stressful nowdays because people have fewer in-person hangout friends outside of jobs+school. So when they lose a job, there is less of a social network to process it with. Just my speculation tho.

its family. everyone is disconnected now so theres nobody to catch you when you fall. this is the way it is in the netherlands but they have excellent social services to make up for it… meanwhile the rest of the world, entering into this way of existing for the first time, doesnt have anything to make up for it. people are just fucked. the times we are living through right now are way harder than anyone appreciates. be strong

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by SideQuark »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #478
SideQuark wrote: post #472

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> Who the hell can compute a number from this? Anyone who puts thought into the problem instead of jumping to conspiracies. Men in that age group commit suicide at rate X. Company Y has Z employees. Over time period T there is a K % chance of a suicide. Among all R companies from which a person like you finds conspiracies at every turn the odds a finding a death is S% . Not a single value in this chain is “made with…

Bro where are you going to find statistics on the rate of actual suicides for someone who makes the claim that if they die it’s not a suicide? There are so many situations where there’s just no data or experimental evidence is impossible to ascertain and you have to use your gut. Where’s experimental evidence that the ground will still exist when you jump off the bed every morning? Use your gut. Tired of this data dr…

You claimed: " Anytime someone potentially possesses information that is damning to a company and that person is killed… the low probability of such an even being a random coincidence is quite low"

You're unable to even estimate "the low probability", you're unable to try even though it's not hard to get good estimates, so there is zero chance you understand how close an event is to happening.

Every single suicide "potentially posses information...", so the probability is not quite low. It's 100%. Do you know what "potentially" means? It's complete conspiratorial nonsense.

Since you're unable to understand math: there's around 50,000 suicides a year in the US. How many murders do you think are committed by a company killing some coverup a year? Less than a dozen (and that's likely way too high)? That coupled with your hand wavy "potential" makes the odds of a suicide orders of magnitude higher than murder, especially since if the company wanted to murder people there's plenty that would be higher on the hit list, yet they all are not dead. Facts > conspiracy.

Aww, screw it. It's not even worth trying to walk you through how to compute any odds when you're dead set on nonsense....

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by ninetyninenine »

SideQuark wrote: post #494
ninetyninenine wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro where are you going to find statistics on the rate of actual suicides for someone who makes the claim that if they die it’s not a suicide? There are so many situations where there’s just no data or experimental evidence is impossible to ascertain and you have to use your gut. Where’s experimental evidence that the ground will still exist when you jump off the bed every morning? Use your gut. Tired of this data dr…

You claimed: " Anytime someone potentially possesses information that is damning to a company and that person is killed… the low probability of such an even being a random coincidence is quite low" You're unable to even estimate "the low probability", you're unable to try even though it's not hard to get good estimates, so there is zero chance you understand how close an event is to happening. Every single suicide "p…

Let me spell it out for you. The likelihood that When someone dies that it's from murder is less than 1%.

From your logic, that means because the likelihood is less than 1%, murder should never be investigated.

Police investigations, forensic science, DNA matching, murder trials, Detectives are all rendered redundant by statistics.

You can compute this too. ANd you can use your incredible logic here: Facts > murder.

You need to see why that situation above doesn't make sense. Once you do, you'll realize that the same exact logic that makes that situation make no sense is the EXACT same logic you're using to "compute" your new conclusion.

You need to realize there ARE additional facts here that render quantitative analysis impossible to ascertain and hand waving is the ONLY way forward. That is unless you want to actually go out there and gather the data.

You know logic, deduction and induction are alternative forms of analysis that can be done outside of science right? You should employ the former to know when the later is impossible.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by konart »

kristiandupont wrote: post #231
konart wrote: post #189

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>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. There is no right or wrong in politics.

Yes there is.

No there is not. It's just economy in a broad scence of word.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by konart »

McDyver wrote: post #202
konart wrote: post #189

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>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. There is no right or wrong in politics.

Yes, yes there is. It is wrong to kill or perform any violence or harm against children in any war context.

Sure, but in the end politics is just about economy in a broad scense of word.

I'm not saying death and murder is okay. I'm saying coutries do what they have to do by means the have (or they think they have).

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by kristiandupont »

konart wrote: post #496
kristiandupont wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there is.

No there is not. It's just economy in a broad scence of word.

That's a cop-out. Unless you want to expand your statement to "there is no right and wrong, period", which just means you have no moral compass.
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