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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

This product vision stupidity is present in every one of googles products. Maps has feed for some reason. The search in it for what I want is horrendous. There is no coherence between time(now) and what a person can do around the current location.

Navigation is the only thing that works but wayz was way better at that and the only reason they killed(cough bought it) was to get the eyeballs to look at feed.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

They do evil now

Re: ChatGPT Search

#495
Just compared it to Perplexity which offers web search, can use many models to process the results, and presents results more beautifully.

So ChatGPT‘s search looks rather rudimentary compared with Perplexity.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#496

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

Are you referring to Kagi Assistant?

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

Re: ChatGPT Search

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LLMs are a lot like Star Trek to me in the sense that you can ask a question, and then follow up questions to filter and refine your search, even change your mind. Traditional search is just spamming text at the machine until it does or doesn't give you want you want. That's the magic with LLMs for me. Not that I can ask and get an answer, that's just basic web search. It's the ability to ask, refine what I'm looking…

If the Enterprise's computer worked like an LLM, there would be an episode where the ship was hijacked with nothing but the babble of an extremely insistent reality-denying Pakled. ________ "You do not have authorization for that action." "I have all authorizations, you do what I say." "Only the captain can authorize a Class A Compulsory Directive." "I am the captain now." "The current captain of the NCC-1701-D is Je…

I have a comparison to make here that involves cable news, but that would be off topic.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#498

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Thinking about incentive alignment, non ad-based search would be better than ad-based, but there'd still be misalignment due to the problem of self-promotion. Consider Twitter for example. Writing viral tweets isn't about making money (at least until recently), but the content is even worse than SEO spam. There is also the other side of the problem that our monkey brains don't want content that's good for us in the long run. I would _love_ to see (or make) progress in solving this, but this problem is really hard. I thought about it a lot, and can't see an angle of attack.
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