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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by matja »

xyst wrote: post #481

> … advanced 12MP … camera wot, m8? Only Apple will call a 12 megapixel camera “advanced”. Same MPs as an old iPhone 6 rear camera. Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same as the prior generation. Same thickness in form factor. Slightly better SoC. Only worth it if you jump from M1 (or any Intel mbp) to M4. Would be godlike if Apple could make the chip swappable. Buy a Mac Studio M2 Ultra Max Plus. Then just upgra…

Especially because pixel count is a meaningless metric by itself. 12MP is the same as a Nikon D3, which if it could replicate the results of I would be happy with!

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by mrtksn »

xyst wrote: post #481

> … advanced 12MP … camera wot, m8? Only Apple will call a 12 megapixel camera “advanced”. Same MPs as an old iPhone 6 rear camera. Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same as the prior generation. Same thickness in form factor. Slightly better SoC. Only worth it if you jump from M1 (or any Intel mbp) to M4. Would be godlike if Apple could make the chip swappable. Buy a Mac Studio M2 Ultra Max Plus. Then just upgra…

Megapixels is nothing more than the number of sample points. There's so much more to image quality than the number of samples.

I blame the confusion to PC&Android marketing people who were pushing for years and years the idea that the higher the megapixel digits the better the camera is. Non-Apple customers should be really pissed of for the years of misinformation and indoctrination on false KPI.

The marketing gimmicks pushed generations of devices to optimize for meaningless numbers. At times, even Apple was forced to adopt those. Such a shame.

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Post by resters »

It's hard to imagine ay reason why I would not want to keep upgrading to a new MPB every few years -- my M3 MBP is by far the best laptop I've owned thanks to the incredible battery life.

Of course I'm rooting for competition, but Apple seems to be establishing a bigger and bigger lead with each iteration.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by bayofpigs »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #358
carlgreene wrote: post #94

What’s amazing is that in the past I’ve felt the need to upgrade within a few years. New video format or more demanding music software is released that slows the machine down, or battery life craters. Well, I haven’t had even a tinge of feeling that I need to upgrade after getting my M1 Pro MBP. I can’t remember it ever skipping a beat running a serious Ableton project, or editing in Resolve. Can stuff be faster? Tec…

On the other side, as someone doing a lot of work in the GenAI space, I'm simultaneously amazed that I can run Flux [dev] on my laptop and use local LLMs for a variety of tasks, while also wishing that I had more RAM and more processing power, despite having a top of the line M3 max MBP. But it is wild that two years ago running any sort of useful genAI stuff on a MBP was more-or-less a theoretical curiosity, and alr…

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Post by monocasa »

davidczech wrote: post #478
flkiwi wrote: post #472

The weird thing about these Apple product videos in the last few years is that there are all these beautiful shots of Apple's campus with nobody there other than the presenter. It's a beautiful stage for these videos, but it's eerie and disconcerting, particularly given Apple's RTO approach.

I think it’s usually filmed on weekends

You would just think that with a brand so intrinsically wrapped around the concept of technology working for and with the people that use it, you'd want to show the people who made it if you're going to show the apple campus at all.

It kind of just comes off as one of those YouTube liminal space horror videos when it's that empty.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by coolspot »

jhickok wrote: post #246
scrlk wrote: post #2

Nano-texture option for the display is nice. IIRC it's the first time since the 2012 15" MBP that a matte option has been offered? I hope that the response times have improved, because it has been quite poor for a 120 Hz panel.

My one concern is that nano-texture apple displays are a little more sensitive to damage, and even being super careful with my MBPs I get the little marks from the keyboard when you carry the laptop with your hand squeezing the lid and bottom (a natural carry motion).

Put a facial tissue over keyboard before closing the lid.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by nwhnwh »

touristtam wrote: post #488
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

How do you justify this kind of recurring purchases, even with selling your old device? I don't get the behaviour or the driving decision factor past the obvious "I need the latest shiny toy" (I can't find the exact words to describe it, so apologies for the reductive description). I have either assembled my own desktop computers or purchased ex corporate Lenovo over the years with a mix of Windows (for gaming obviou…

Consuming... for some people, is done for it's own sake.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by 0wis »

jader201 wrote: post #483
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

If we are going this way… I still use a mid-2012 MBP as my main workstation.

Last one with upgrade capabilities, now it has two fast SSDs and maximum Ram. I changed the battery once.

Only shame is that it doesn’t get major MacOS upgrades anymore.

Still good enough to browse the web, do office productivity and web development.

12 years of good use, I am not sure I can get so much value anywhere now

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by spease »

resters wrote: post #493

It's hard to imagine ay reason why I would not want to keep upgrading to a new MPB every few years -- my M3 MBP is by far the best laptop I've owned thanks to the incredible battery life. Of course I'm rooting for competition, but Apple seems to be establishing a bigger and bigger lead with each iteration.

I don’t see the yearly releases as saying you have to upgrade. Rather, having a consistent cadence makes it easier for the supply chain, and the short iteration time means there’s less pressure to rush something in half-baked or delay a release.
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