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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by maestrae »

gnatolf wrote: post #312
1659447091 wrote: post #141

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> but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding Unless I'm missing something about Canvas, gh CoPilot Chat (which is basically ChatGPT?) integrates inline into IntelliJ. Start a chat from line numbers and it provides a diff before applying or refining.

> which is basically ChatGPT? Yea, I'm wondering the same. Is there any good resource to look up whether copilot follows the ChatGPT updates? I would be renewing my subscription, but it does not feel like it has improved similarly to how the new models have...

According to this (1), they are using the 4o model. And looks like you'll be able to pick your model(2) in the starting with version 1.94 released this September.

1.https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_92#_github-copilot

2.https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_94#_switch-language...

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

razodactyl wrote: post #490
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #478

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Mechanical Turks will be the first to go. More seriously, the output quality of LLMs for code is pretty inconsistent. I think there's an analogy to be made with literature. For instance, a short story generated by an LLM can't really hold a candle to the work of a human author. LLM-generated code can be a good starting point for avoiding tedious aspects of software development, like boilerplate or repetitive tasks. W…

Yes, but don't dismiss the laws of scaling and the inability of ourselves to predict the future. Wait But Why did a great take on the AI leap. Imagine that current AI is already curating and generating datasets for the next generation. Also consider that what we have now is only possible because hardware capability increased.

Isn't scaling already a big problem in generative AI? Apparently there is not enough data to actually appreciably increase the quality of outputs, and lots of data is also being polluted by AI generations. This is why these companies are now shifting to more ancillary features like in this article (which Claude already has to some extent, as well as Copilot in VSCode and other editors).

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by cryptoz »

SoftTalker wrote: post #479
Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #359

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He meant singing dog, likely conflated due to his linguistic interest. "Juggling dog" has only been expressed a single time previously in our corpus of humanity: During the Middle Ages, however, church and state sometimes frowned more sternly on the juggler. "The duties of the king," said the edicts of the Sixth Council of Paris during the Middle Ages, "are to prevent theft, to punish adultery, and to refuse to maint…

It’s a great phrase all that aside. I’m adopting it.

The confetti is out of the cannon!

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jonahx »

dboreham wrote: post #430
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

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The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

This fundamentally misunderstands what lawyers do. You're prediction might be right for paralegals and very junior attorneys. But the lawyers who make real money are not doing rote work. It's lunches, negotiation, politics, and for trial attorneys performance and debate. Social activities, human skills. They'll always be around.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by cryptoz »

carom wrote: post #247
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

Their API is unusable due to rate limits. Myself and my wife have both had ideas, started using it, and found other approaches after hitting rate limits. I tried funding more money in the account to increase the rate limits and it did not work. I imagine they see poor growth there because of this.

150,000,000 tokens per minute and 30,000 requests per minute is unusable?! Maybe that’s just Tier 5 but the API is most definitely not unusable.

I’m firmly in the camp that their rate limits are entirely reasonable.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

james_marks wrote: post #382
cynicalpeace wrote: post #335

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Google will be a remembered as a victim of Schumpeter's Creative Destruction

From Wikipedia, for that don’t know the term: “a concept in economics that describes a process in which new innovations replace and make obsolete older innovations.” Ironically, I had to google it, and agree with the comment.

You should read The Innovator's Dilemma as well, as it goes into detail on this concept, basically explaining why and how technological disruption occurs from the point of view of the disruptor and disruptee.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

throwup238 wrote: post #315
siliconc0w wrote: post #229

I don't really don't understand the appeal iterating on code in the browser away from the rest of the code base outside of cool demos. You really need to give the model context about your data model, code conventions, library choices, etc and be able to exercise it with tests to get to an acceptable result.

I use ChatGPT/Claude in bed and when I otherwise don’t have a computer handy like going on walks. When developing isolated code it works just fine without having to specify a lot of detail. For example, I’m working on a Qt QML app backed by Rust but use the mobile interfaces to code up C++ components that are independent of the Rust logic and can be wired together from QML/Javascript. Since the LLMs already have lots…

That's funny, I do the exact same thing. If I'm out and about or otherwise not at a computer, and I have an idea or solution to a bug I wanted to solve, I'll fire up an LLM on my phone (usually Claude these days) and basically brainstorm together the pros and cons, with code sometimes as well.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

janoc wrote: post #290
moomoo11 wrote: post #257

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It’s cool for noobs and hobbyists.

And venture capital.

Not sure about that, they're all losing money. OpenAI recently raised 6.5 billion but is losing 5 billion a year, it's just not sustainable. In fact it's the local LLMs that are thriving, predictably because they run on your own hardware.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

noch wrote: post #85
nmfisher wrote: post #76

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If I genuinely thought I was close to AGI, I’d focus all my efforts on that, then ask it to build my revenue generators. That’s probably what Ilya is doing. (FWIW I don’t think we’re close to AGI).

> If I genuinely thought I was close to AGI As a great founder once said: "Work towards your goal, but you must ship intermediate products ."

Who said that?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

tomrod wrote: post #32
wenc wrote: post #10

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Arguably this is better than Claude projects because you can prompt and edit inline. You cannot with projects. Claude keeps regenerating the artifact. This is closer to Cursor for writing than Claude Projects.

Cursor's moat always seems a shaky proposition. Clone VS code, add a few custom blobs and extensions, API to existing LLMs. For that, $20/M per head to be usable? Yikes.

Indeed, in the latest changelog, they are adding more and more features to compete with Cursor.

https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_94

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