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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by mola »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #422

There are now over two thousand injuries and at least one nine year old girl dead. This was a reckless attack, a war crime, and a blatant disregard of international law. You’re not targeting pacemakers embedded only in the chest cavities of known Hezbollah militants but devices often left around family and children. Hezbollah is a massive political entity with probably more non-combatants than combatants. The pagers…

If the pagers all belong to military targets is this a war crime? It means basically that all war is a crime. Which from an idealistic point of view I agree, but that's not how the world works.

Rockets are fired to the Israeli north for a year now, about a 200k civilians are evacuated for a year now because the rockets are mostly randomly targeted.

a 3 yo Israeli baby is still held hostage by hamas, never meeting the red cross.

Are these war crimes?

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by shmatt »

einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

israel wasn't identified as israel, and hizbolla weren't identified of hizbolla

much of the work of a CIA or Mossad agent isn't breaking in to this house or murdering that person. It's working as an executive in a shell company

No one is going to sell a terrorist organization thousands of new beepers. The hizbolla probably also created shell companies. Israel knew their cover and approached them as a foreign seller. Everyone is lying to everyone

In reality the supply chain space is probably full of shell companies from all different terrorist organizations and western countries

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by yonisto »

harimau777 wrote: post #167

This seems like it would have the potential for a lot of collateral damage due to the possibility that modified pagers might enter general distribution. That is to say, how do they insure that a given shipment of pagers are only going to Hezbollah as opposed to some of them going to people like aid workers?

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by ignoramous »

captainkrtek wrote: post #488
mmastrac wrote: post #365

That's an impressive supply-chain hack. Spend years showing how insecure modern telecom devices are and scare your enemy into going old-school, receive-only. Set up a shell company to sell pagers to your enemy's shell company. Give them devices implanted with a small explosive charge pointed inward, knowing they will be worn around the waist most of the time. Hack the backend server, send a coordinated page to all th…

> You have to hand it to them -- it's a clever strategy with minimal casualties outside of your enemy I agree it’s clever, but there are reports now of thousands wounded. Feels like a lot of collateral risk, if these people who were targeted were out and about (grocery shopping, bank, etc.)

Looks like Lebanese civilians have indeed been injured/maimed; but it appears cool to some since it is an "impressive supply-chain hack", so let's leave it at that and not call it terrorism.
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