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Boeing workers vote to strike

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by asats »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #477
asats wrote: post #417

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In your profile it says you work for some company, do the founders know you want to expropriate their company? Those damn kulaks, feasting on the fruits of your labor.

Yes they do. I’m employee #3 so…you know Probably not exactly what you expected

>Probably not exactly what you expected

No, because calling for a communist revolution from your position is a suicide wish then, any entrepreneurs or owners of pretty much anything were considered a class enemy and you being in a leadership positions of any kind is a guaranteed ticket to a gulag.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by [deleted] »

Dalewyn wrote: post #485
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #476

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By that measure what the hell was bombing Suleimani? Or moving our recognised capital of Israel to Jerusalem? Or arms to Saudi Arabia during their war with Yemen? Neither Trump nor Biden started a war. They had wars happening around them that we were to various degrees involved.

Here's a (kind of?) objective take: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni... By my quick count, Obama (awarded the Nobel Peace Prize) started seven wars, Trump started zero wars, and Biden so far started one war. All three Presidents were involved in a war started by a predecessor. So, yeah. Trump started no wars, and he is the most rejected POTUS by the Powers That Be(tm) for that and other re…

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Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by TulliusCicero »

Havoc wrote: post #200

Just watched a documentary on Boeing an hour ago. It’s incredible that they avoided criminal prosecution despite two planes crashing, door popping out and then paperwork somehow going AWOL. Also Boeing knew about wiring issues since 2022 and the FAA only issues an inspection order in ‘24. Gonna try and avoid Boeings of all types going forward

Executives nearly always avoid jail time despite egregious lawbreaking, because we have a culture of corporate permissiveness in the US (and arguably many other countries as well of course).

Only the absolute worst of the worst of the worst will get jail time for doing something illegal in the course of doing their job at the company, if it's something that nominally benefits that company (as opposed to, say, stealing from the company themselves). And even then, probably only some.

This creates a perverse incentive to commit crimes as an executive, because the upsides are huge -- big bonuses/promotions/pay raises as a part of cutting costs, even if you had to compromise on safety or otherwise do something illegal -- but the biggest downside is usually only having to resign or get fired.

Imagine if the worst result of repeatedly putting someone in the hospital or robbing a bunch of banks with a gun was just losing your job. That's how executive crime works in the US.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by fragmede »

tjpnz wrote: post #391
fragmede wrote: post #146

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Have you seen how much lambasting Boom Aerospace gets every time they come up? Starting a new aerospace company isn't for the faint of heart!

They're an aerospace company? It seems I've been confusing them for a lobby group trying to remove urban noise regulations.

See what I mean?

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

willcipriano wrote: post #474
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #450

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I agree that the dollar cost is real attrition too. Vietnam and Afghanistan were so wildly costly because we made the (political) choice to limit how we could engage the enemy, while our enemies were not limiting themselves Vietnam: limiting Cambodia ops, the DMZ, limiting bombing of N Vietnam Afghanistan: limiting Pakistan ops, focusing on creating a stable democracy rather than killing Taliban then leaving We made…

Yeah, we could use biological weapons or drop hydrogen bombs as a few examples. We could send marines house to house executing anyone who even looks like a bad guy. Trouble is giving a few million civilians radiation poisoning or the bubonic plaque to "stop communism" or to "spread democracy" is evil and insane.

You've made a rather wild leap here.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by bitmasher9 »

goda90 wrote: post #465
hosh wrote: post #457

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It goes with the perception of corporate greed. Boeing stocks have shot up, profits are not being shared, and those profits came at a cost of safety, and it isn't as if market share had not still declined against Airbus. I wouldn't be surprised if a machinist used to be able to go home, proud of the work they have done, and now, it is not so.

And if the culture destroys Boeing and its reputation in the end, the machinists are going to be struggling to find new jobs. "Sorry, we don't want someone who built bad airplanes to work on this other safety critical thing."

The larger economy just doesn’t have enough similar positions to absorb all of the Boeing employees without them having to significantly reskill. Not to mention after you build airplanes going to build most anything else might feel like a downgrade.

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Post by fragmede »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #264
thehappypm wrote: post #228

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What if you leave the atmosphere?

That's a thing called a rocket. Those have different constraints (e.g. energy proportional to mgh to get out of the atmosphere, dramatically less efficient engines since you now need to carry your oxidizer, etc. It seems vaguely plausible that for very long distances (e.g. New York to China), a rocket could be more efficient than an airplane, but it does seem pretty unlikely that a rocket can be as efficient as a nor…

A ballistic missile flight to go from New York to Sydney would take 40 minutes. The Concorde, travelling at Mach 2, if it had the range to do that flight, would take 7.5 hours, or 16 hours on a regular jet, if you can get a direct flight (except there currently aren't any).

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Post by gruez »

TylerE wrote: post #486
blueelephanttea wrote: post #472

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Unless you are talking about a very specific period in the last ten years, Boeing's stock has not "shot up". It is barely up over the last decade in a period when the total US market has nearly tripled.

Boeing stock is worth 4x what it was 15 years ago. It had gone up almost 10x from 2010 to 2020, then they got hammered by the obvious.

>Boeing stock is worth 4x what it was 15 years ago.

The S&P 500 is worth 5.4x over the same time period. There might have been some enthusiasm back in 2018, but in the past 5 years they've definitely underperformed.

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Post by collinmcnulty »

paxys wrote: post #365
fragmede wrote: post #168

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Depends on how deeply you know the story of GE, which was an engineering company, became a financial services company, and now is back to engineering.

> and now is back to engineering There is no company called GE anymore. Most of its engineering units were sold off to other companies which just license its brand. GE appliances, for example, are actually Haier. GE Lighting was sold to a home automation startup. GE's biggest value creator today is its brand name, not its engineering.

This is not correct. There are three companies formed from the splitting up of GE that all do serious engineering. GE Aviation, GE Vernova (power), and GE Healthcare.

Re: Boeing workers vote to strike

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Post by giantg2 »

behringer wrote: post #426
eddd-ddde wrote: post #415

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I'm curious. So this company basically only hires newbies and trains them from zero to any role they might need? That's kinda cool.

Except for the worker that will see stagnant wages.

Joke's on you - my wages are already stagnate.
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