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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by standardUser »

alt227 wrote: post #475
standardUser wrote: post #445

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I don't know about you, but my life is too short to associate with troglodytes. Especially when there are so many amazing open-minded, open-hearted weirdos out there I can spend my days with.

No I dont consider myself so important that I am above interacting with anybody, nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses. I think even if you were to spend your life just getting to know and educating 1 bigotted person so much so that they change they views just a little, that would be a life well spent.

> nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses.

Well, you should. If you don't, you should work on formulating more correct opinions that you believe in and can defend.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by paganel »

standardUser wrote: post #400
paganel wrote: post #355

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That's your opinion, and this wasn't about a woman wearing a dress or not, it was about women selling their sex to men in exchange for money, because this is what this is (even though the sex is virtual, it's still sex). So, yes, it is important to have morals in situations like this one and see companies like OnlyFans for what they truly are, i.e. SV-funded pimp organisations.

What precisely is wrong with consensually selling sex?

There is really no “consensual” part in there.

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Post by ethbr1 »

Demiurge wrote: post #450
antimemetics wrote: post #428

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Every new generation is worse than the one before them

Dtaisk Afai. Cof Lemma, 19:1, 2, 549-552 / https://www.jstor.org/stable/25414613 Let me first give you four quotations. Firstly: “Our youth loves luxury, has bad manners, disregards authority, and has no respect whatsoever for age. Our children today are tyrants; they do not get up when an elderly man enters the room—they talk back to their parents—they are just very bad.” Secondly: “I no longer have any hope for the…

I mean, all of those civilizations rose and fell, so there was certainly a point at which the productivity level was no longer sufficiently globally dominant.

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Post by lucb1e »

omnee wrote: post #132

Two parts stand out for me: 1. COVID: The explosion in revenues during 2020 is self explanatory. 2. Product market fit/Execution: The owners having previously created other, albeit, unsuccessful platforms certainly helped with creating Onlyfans. This is a very simple idea that thousands will have had, but creating it successfully necessarily requires a good understanding of a sector avoided by most major corporations…

1: is it? Why would the established platforms not get that boost instead? I don't find this very self explanatory, do explain :)

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Post by marcellus23 »

__rito__ wrote: post #73
CSMastermind wrote: post #28

I have a buddy how likes to tell how he "had the idea for Onlyfans first" but I advised him not to pursue it. The reality is that OnlyFans wasn't the first to try this model. You have to give them credit for successfully building the business, especially with several close calls between them and government regulations.

This is relevant: https://x.com/cyantist/status/1832921451986632777 A similar app creator talks about her experience and why it failed.

Wow some of those tweets are long. Twitter lost something when it removed the character limit.

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Post by lucb1e »

paxys wrote: post #287
nemo44x wrote: post #49

This is why PornHub was sold to bag holders earlier seemingly out of nowhere. Their business is dead. Second point - is this really Europe’s most successful tech company of the last 15 years?!

UK != Europe

Or at least, don't tell them

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Post by mudita »

ehnto wrote: post #482
qingcharles wrote: post #456

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This view isn't matched by the stats. I have a friend who is a successful OF model and only a fraction of one percent of her subscribers ever DM her. A lot of them subscribe, see what they want and then immediately delete their accounts. There's no apparent relationship between her fans and her, for the most part.

Parasocial relationships don't require interaction, you could just watch a twitch streamer a lot. I think if we defined it by requiring interaction we would underestimate the percieved impact of these social phenomenon.

It not only doesn’t require interaction, the lack of interaction is what makes is parasocial.

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

vunderba wrote: post #452
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

Although Onlyfans is certainly more exploitative, I would argue that this concept of one-way parasocial relationships has existed since basically the dawn of humanity and likely has roots to our earliest fundamental tribalistic nature. I mean look at the extremely popular K-pop bands, fans get insanely invested into these groups, following them, bringing glowsticks to show support, etc. Or the entire Japanese idol mo…

I don’t think it’s new per see nor that OnlyFans is unique in this. The K-pop exemple you bring forward is good and I guess you could see the Hollywood star system as a kind of precursor.

I still think there are multiple differences.

One is how OnlyFans has successfully turned everyday people into this source of para-social fixation for a multitude of small communities and somehow massified the issue.

The other and the main one for me is that in both the star system or the K-pop industry the system is a mean to an end - selling movie tickets or albums - while OnlyFans genuinely sells the illusion of closeness.

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Post by rybosworld »

neilv wrote: post #479
rybosworld wrote: post #412

It does seem like the business preys on, primarily teenage boys, in a way that traditional pornography does not. If you look up the user demographics, you'll notice an obvious problem: The demographics do not include the number of users under 18. https://techreport.com/statistics/software-web/onlyfans-stat... Some may say: well that's because you have to be 18 to use the site. But that's not true. Anyone can signup f…

Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed teens would have the money. I'd have guessed the cash cows would be adult, well-employed. But if it's a common scenario for an adult OF creator to be sexually interacting with an underage teenager online (and, really, "grooming" them), are we going to start seeing life-ruining prosecutions of creators? Incidentally including subpoenas of lists of creators and consumers, for additi…

Teens will always find a way to spend money, with or without their parents knowing. I can remember when it was possible to rent adult videos on HBO. It would charge to your parents credit card but that only matters if they check their bill and many people do not.

I wouldn't venture to say what percentage of the income is coming from users are the under age of 18, beyond that is certainly a number larger than $0.

> But if it's a common scenario for an adult OF creator to be sexually interacting with an underage teenager online (and, really, "grooming" them), are we going to start seeing life-ruining prosecutions of creators?

This more or less happens on twitch.tv with alarming frequency. The hot tub streams are not much different than soft core imo. And users will get shoutouts and prizes (in the form of writing the users name on the streamers body) for sending money. It's all done in a way that's nearly impossible to attribute wrong doing to creators, though.

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

agumonkey wrote: post #350
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

The shocking part is how new generation have a fully rational reinterpretation of all this, they call it "ethical sex". It's beautiful to them (probably in contrast to the boat loads of issues IRL social and intimate relationships can bring with them). And anything not aligned with their view causes a lot of angry arguments.

Every generation shockingly reinterprets things. Our generation "shockingly" interprets a mixed race couple kissing on TV as normal, instead of obscene enough to be banned.
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