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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by inyourtenement » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:00 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #331

thefaux wrote: post #297

Two points that people are making that I feel necessary to refute because they come across as being offered from a place of bad faith or ignorance: 1) the suggestion that Biden should resign from the presidency because he is standing down from running. Biden is not saying that he is incapable of running. He and his team just understand how to read polls and don't want their party to lose the election which seemed alm…

> There was no real 2024 democratic primary This was also a subversion of the will of primary voters. It's not a defense. A huge portion of Democratic voters wanted the candidate replaced, and there were Democratic politicians that announced their intention to be the candidate that replaced him, and others undoubtedly who would have if there hadn't been so much pressure not to, yet a serious primary wasn't run. Democ…

How did Democratic insiders prevent other candidates from running in the primaries?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by harimau777 » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:00 PM UTC

eric_cc wrote: post #295

energy123 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The large majority of voters wanted him to step down after the debate according to every poll. This is not a decision that goes against the spirit of democracy. To the contrary, sacrificing personal power for the good of the country and the preservation of the ideal that the institution matters rather than the figurehead. It's something we've almost forgotten is possible in the modern age of personality cults and wan…

> according to every poll Polls are now substitutes for voting booths?

People's opinions changed after the primary. This doesn't have anything to do with voting booths one way or the other.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:00 PM UTC

mikemitchelldev wrote: post #470

Is Gavin Newsome more likely as the Dem candidate now that the wealthiest members of the tech community got their preferred Republican VP candidate?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by slantaclaus » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:01 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #347

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

> Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this. > Has it ever been done? Before the 12th Amendment was passed, the VP came from the opposing party[1]. This didn't work particularly well in practice, which is why nobody remembers…

It’s not the base that would need to be convinced, it would be the DNC

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by adharmad » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:01 PM UTC

jkestner wrote: post #454

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer. On the contrary, the processes that anointed Hillary in 2016 and Biden round 2 in 2024 were exactly the kind of "well, it's this person's turn now" decisions that were bad, anti-democratic (lower-case d) choices previously. I'm not looking for a…

That's literally what her elected job is.

Only if the sitting President resigns or is incapacitated. If there is a new election, then it is best if she earns her candidacy.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by 10xDev » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:02 PM UTC

avar wrote: post #446

outside1234 wrote: post #303

President Kamala Harris has a great ring. Will be great to have someone that isn’t old, a sex offender, or a felon (or all three).

> someone that isn’t old If she wins she'll be 60 years old and 3 months old the day she assumes office. That'll make her the 13th oldest president (out of a total of 47)[1]. That's "old" by any objective definition. The only thing that makes her seem young is that the two candidates who've been in the race so far are #1 and #2 on that list. She'll certainly be a young president compared to the two oldest presidents…

There is a difference between being older and being old. But even if we are comparing we are talking a 5 year difference from the median age from start of presidency and at a period where life quality and expectancy is much higher.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:03 PM UTC

dimal wrote: post #479

gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

> probably Harris is the simplest answer And probably the wrong answer. I don’t see her winning over swing voters. Gretchen Whitmer seems like the best option to me. I’d enjoy watching her debate Trump.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by switch007 » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:03 PM UTC

10xDev wrote: post #466

was_a_dev wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While not as much skin, we sadly have more skin in this game as I'd wish The election of the next President will have a large effect on the security of Europe with respect to both Russia and Israel

In what world is Israel relevant to the security of Europe?

The US and UK navies are not in the Mediterranean right now for a pleasure cruise. They're there because of the Israel-Hamas war

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by evdubs » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:03 PM UTC

mikemitchelldev wrote: post #470

Is Gavin Newsome more likely as the Dem candidate now that the wealthiest members of the tech community got their preferred Republican VP candidate?

He did tick up after the debate, but now Kamala is heavily favored for the Democrats.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kypro » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:04 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #98

The Democrats now need to emphasize that Trump, who is 78, is too old too. They can feature clips of Trump in 2020 saying that Biden at 78 was too old.

I really dislike this idea that someone can be "too old" to be president. The issue isn't age, it's the conditions and diseases that often come with age.

The issue with Biden for me wasn't his age at all, it was that for whatever reason he was struggling to form coherent sentences. Trump on the other hand seems more or less completely fine. I'd actually argue the best thing about Biden was that he was perhaps the most qualified person to president ever given his long history and respected history in politics.

That said, I do think the older the presidential candidate is the more important it becomes to weight their VP pick when casting your vote, but still, I don't think this reason trend of discounted people solely on their age is a healthy trend. I'd even argue that the ideal age for a leader is probably quite old, maybe around 50-60.