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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by e40 »

rayiner wrote: post #466
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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A lot of words but they really don’t explain why you are against immigration.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

gottorf wrote: post #201
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

The US is not Europe. The US is singular in its ability to assimilate immigrants. It is our superpower.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by pcwalton »

39896880 wrote: post #490
rayiner wrote: post #479

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Lesser? The US is the largest economy in the history of the world. And military. It is responsible for brokering and maintaining the freest, most prosperous time in history — the post WWII globalization. Oh, here’s where I’ll be a little less, er, academic — as someone who lives in a city shaped by the influx of Irish and Italian immigrants - fuck out of here with “lesser”.

Yeah, it's probably the worst comment I've ever seen Rayiner write. (This is the nicest way I can word this comment; it'd be impossible for me to say what I really feel about that insult to my heritage without breaking the site guidelines.)

Irish people such as my ancestors fought and died for America in WWII. They were among the finest patriots who served the country.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by avz »

TMWNN wrote: post #450
noduerme wrote: post #322

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

>One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? I will speak from the perspective of one who emigrated to the US. Every new group is initially seen as "the other". After some point, however, employers that hire "the other" may find that they can pay them less because there is less demand to hire them, and thus benefit financially, they hire more. As other employers follow suit, over time the sa…

The US has extended the protection of the law to the law-abiding Irish, Italians, Germans, Russians, Jews, East Asians, Indians, and Latinos freeing them up to flourish and build human capital. By contrast, the same state has not only failed to do so for the Black community, but its agents have engaged in extrajudicial killings of the community's members with impunity since they lost their legal "protection" as someone else's private property.

Community under assault will redirect its private efforts to security which then undermines cultural and economic development and slows down formation of human capital. That's because security needs are fundamental and trump cultural and economic development [1].

Regarding Indian Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims, I disagree they are indistinguishable for outsiders. Typically, anybody who cares can tell by the name, place where they live, or even just the job they do.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by arrosenberg »

bee_rider wrote: post #84
vundercind wrote: post #27

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Florida was relevant in US elections. When was the last time it was up for grabs? It is actually interesting, a state converting to single-party rule significantly reduces the electoral leverage it has.

DeSantis won by 0.5% in 2018…

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Post by throwaway2037 »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #493
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

The US is not Europe. The US is singular in its ability to assimilate immigrants. It is our superpower.

Canada? NZ? Australia? Netherlands? Brazil?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by chefandy »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #418
noduerme wrote: post #374

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The path from Jewish emancipation in law to Jewish integration in practice was slowed and stymied by antisemitism at every turn, to greater and lesser degrees in different countries. It is hard to believe that Jews were ever regarded as true equals, broadly, in a country which willingly handed over so many to the Nazis. And of course in Spain, Jews were not full citizens and the practice of Judaism was simply forbidd…

the people who “handed over so many to the nazis” - what makes you think they wouldn’t or didn’t gladly hand over non-jews if the regime demanded it? your point about judaism being forbidden in spain until 1978 is shocking, thank you for that. I would strongly recommend the following essay, which I read in an ethics class and found extremely powerful. The essay argues that humans can relatively easily be persuaded or…

> what makes you think they wouldn’t or didn’t gladly hand over non-jews if the regime demanded it?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Would someone need to exclusively repress Jews for that repression to meaningfully affect Jews' economic and human rights trajectory?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by agonz253 »

feedforward wrote: post #485
agonz253 wrote: post #388

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Is it the embargo that prohibits fishermen in Cuba from fishing, farmers from harvesting, cubans from freely doing business? Is it also responsible for cubans getting beaten and imprisoned for thinking differently? Was it the embargo that destroyed every sugar mill in the country, textile factory, shoe factory, you name it?… The dictatorship is the one responsible for all these things.

CIA-backed groups in Miami were bombing Cuban hotels in the 1990s. They were bombing Cuban passenger airlines, killing many civilians. They were burning sugar fields. Of course there was also the Bay of Pigs invasion, the theft of Guantanamo harbor etc.

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/red-herring-fallacy/

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

The United States is singular in its ability to assimilate immigrants. It is our one true superpower. The people who come to our country, like these Cubans fleeing their country, often come from societies where they lack freedoms Americans take for granted. Many Americans scarcely even acknowledge these freedoms but immigrants with their outside eye see them clearly. In doing so they refresh our founding ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

As a fourth generation American and midwesterner, I welcome these Cuban immigrants.

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