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My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by franga2000 »

pndy wrote: post #400
OptionOfT wrote: post #14

I can't even remove 'Recommended' from the start menu, not even on a Pro for Workstations. Every time I search on the start menu there is a web search, impossible to turn off. How is that acceptable? I install Edge Beta to test something, and the I uninstall it. All of the sudden my search provider in my normal Edge is reset. And the nagging everywhere. No I don't want 'back-up' my files (OneDrive is not backup, it's…

> All this fuzzy language That's not the exclusive problem to Microsoft - it happens all around us within the IT world. The corporations stopped acknowledging the permanent "No" anymore and the actual user choice. It's a plain harassment up until you give up and agree to what you get shoveled with. Whenever I read comments regarding last two Windows versions and issues people had or have with these, or news about new…

> where the hell are regulators?

We have killed them. If a government tries to do anything against a company that isn't a perfect 1:1 mapping to an explicit thing in the law that they are breaking, the company will sue back and win. And if they try to pass such a law, the biggest companies are powerful enough to get rid of them next term, so they don't even try.

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by Numerlor »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #486
pndy wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All this fuzzy language That's not the exclusive problem to Microsoft - it happens all around us within the IT world. The corporations stopped acknowledging the permanent "No" anymore and the actual user choice. It's a plain harassment up until you give up and agree to what you get shoveled with. Whenever I read comments regarding last two Windows versions and issues people had or have with these, or news about new…

They are in Europe, and heavily criticized on HN everytime they regulate. I love GDPR, yet so many complain about it for cookie banners, which are not even what the law requires: There Is No Cookie Banner Law ( https://www.bitecode.dev/p/there-is-no-eu-cookie-banner-law )

Reading through this thread as an user of Windows from the EU most of the issues I see mentioned here are just non-existent, like OneDrive nagging that has never happened to me

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by joenot443 »

atemerev wrote: post #289
klooney wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably all the executives, PMs, and designers all use Macs.

And half of software engineers (the other half have Linux laptops). I only use Windows as a game launcher (and I’m still on Windows 10), I don’t understand why anyone would need it anymore except games.

Weird, all the Microsoft engineers I know all use Surfacebooks with WSL.

Is that different from the Microsoft engineers you're friends with?

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

bongodongobob wrote: post #214
navjack27 wrote: post #140

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I have absolutely none of these problems on my Windows 11 pro for workstations desktop. My computer is very much my computer and I seem to have full total control over everything. I'm not sure what I do differently than everyone else but that's just how it is.

It's because people fuck with the registry, run those decrapifier scripts etc. They completely mess with the guts doing nonstandard things and eventually it turns into a mess. Ask me how I know. After I started administering fleets of Windows machines, I learned that if you don't fuck with it, it's fine! If you need to make changes, use group policy. Don't like OneDrive? Don't use it! Uninstalling it is going to fuck…

That may be true for work PCs, where my access is already restricted and heavily monitored, but I don't accept that for my personal machine.

Hey, if MS wants to put configs somewhere else that is cool too. I don't understand how it is somehow expected that I don't touch the magic box ( because it is all held by rubber band and glue ). It is not some rinky-dink shop that made its first release. It is a global company. I simply expect more.

This is for the user to decide. I am personally livid that windows machines update bios these days without any user interaction. If I ever saw retarded setting just waiting to cause a major issue, this is it.

I use my Windows instance in a VM so I suppose I technically am leaving it mostly alone, but even then I chose to make some changes to registry to make the access easier for myself.

If I may get a little personal for a moment. I think your professional experience may be clouding your judgment in this case. I see it fairly often across a wide variety of professions, where various representatives consider client/user/buyer a hindrance of sorts that should make their lives easier 'by just doing X'. The thing is, the relationship is really not about making the representative's life easier.

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by dbg31415 »

bitcharmer wrote: post #470
dbg31415 wrote: post #410

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And the whole wildly inconsistent UI elements of Linux shows it doesn't respect users. You have one default app that does things one way (say, with a "Save" button, and a nice "Settings successfully changed!" message), and another that does things a totally different way (say, with an auto-save and no message that it's been saved). Linux respects developers, in that it allows the people who make aspects of Linux to d…

It looks like you don't understand what Linux is at all. It's just a kernel that other distributions build on top of to create an OS. You have multiple "UIs" available in that space, like gnome, kde and others. I have no idea how having choice and being able to customize your desktop experience is a bad thing but I guess some people won't be happy no matter what.

Inside of any one distribution of Linux is what feels like a prom dress made out of fabric remnants.

It feels like they don't have UX designers planning the workflows (or even involved). And that's largely because they don't, right? They have developers building some stuff and doing it however they want, and not really following any sort of enforced brand or style guidelines.

Mostly the various Linux distros still feel like "model train sets" -- built by one guy, for one guy to enjoy alone in his basement. It's work to build something as part of a larger team... designers, developers... then you'd need a manager... and probably some sales people to keep it all funded... easier to just avoid all that stuff and build a model train set. (=

Most of the distros don't take kindly to UX people or product people giving suggestions on GitHub, or other places. It's very much a "if you aren't a dev, we don't want your input" type situation. "You don't get to tell us what to build, not here, not outside of work..." and until Linux makes a real effort to include a variety of people (especially designers!) in the build process, the results will always be the same.

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by MacrohardDoors »

I followed tutorials to remove the search using the internet.

Three days later the computer rebooted and had undone all my fixes and now search was back to using the web!

Definitely never felt like MY system. It feels like a creepy corporation changing my settings. Which is exactly what it does.

Another three days later, Recall was announced.

Three days later, I wiped Windows from all my computers.

All going well for me, I love Pop!_OS

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by spacebanana7 »

jgalt212 wrote: post #467
OptionOfT wrote: post #14

I can't even remove 'Recommended' from the start menu, not even on a Pro for Workstations. Every time I search on the start menu there is a web search, impossible to turn off. How is that acceptable? I install Edge Beta to test something, and the I uninstall it. All of the sudden my search provider in my normal Edge is reset. And the nagging everywhere. No I don't want 'back-up' my files (OneDrive is not backup, it's…

Is this the case for corporate installs? I cannot imagine the security teams at big banks like Chase, Bofa, Goldman, et al tolerating this.

In my experience large corporate Windows installs don’t have these hostile features.

But I don’t know how much credit is due to ongoing config work by central IT versus Microsoft.

Re: My Windows Computer Just Doesn't Feel Like Mine Anymore

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Post by jenscow »

makeitdouble wrote: post #418
atemerev wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And half of software engineers (the other half have Linux laptops). I only use Windows as a game launcher (and I’m still on Windows 10), I don’t understand why anyone would need it anymore except games.

Linux requires you give up on cutting edge hardware. Basically there's no alternative to the Surface Pro or the Asus' Z13 (or even X13), or Lenovo's dual screen or tablet lines that works with Linux. Incidentally these form factors also doesn't come to macs either.

Linux doesn't require cutting edge hardware.
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