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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by freedomben »

rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

There is a convention already, and it's quite simple. There's an "autocomplete" property on an input tag, and you can tell the browser what it's for[1]. Use "username", "email", and "current-password" for example when building a login page. ("new-password" is useful for creating an account or changing password, and the password manager can suggest a new password here instead of trying to autofill with your old password).

The autocomplete attribute supports nearly everything you can imagine. Check this for a full list[2].

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/In...

[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes...

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by bdzr »

troad wrote: post #352
dylan604 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…

> I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version I felt that way on principle for a long time, but honestly, on reflection, 1P is probably subscription that is most justifiable. I want to outsource online security to people that know what they are doing. I want that to be a viable business for a long time into the future. And I want their funding model to be such that their interests are aligned with those of the…

> People can get so irrational when it comes to the cost of software. The same person who'd pay hundreds of dollars for a cleaner, or a gym membership, will swear up and down that 70 bucks a year for an online bodyguard is highway robbery.

Often while refusing to work for less than six figures as a SWE, hating on companies for seeking VC funding, dismissing non open-source approaches, and then complaining why there aren't more alternatives :)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

Ever used the virtual keyboard on treasurydirect.gov? I have resorted to DOM manipulation in DevTools so I can just paste my password in.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by freedomben »

dylan604 wrote: post #273
musictubes wrote: post #262

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How many passwords are required if you aren’t connecting to the internet? What would you be signing in to?

That's some low quality snark. I have plenty of local things with passwords. One example is encrypted external drives. That's all your snark gets from me on the off chance it's not actually snark. (must me the most I've used the word snark in one go)

> That's some low quality snark.

I'm on your side in all the comments I've read so far (especially the "freeloader" one), but this one is a clear "assume the worst" which isn't fair to GP. Their comment could very well have been a legitimate and innocent question. Of course it could have been a majorly failed attempt at a troll (since the question has great answers) but assuming the worst just drags everything down. IMHO better to give benefit of the doubt, even if only for the other people reading it later.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by matt-attack »

selykg wrote: post #77
egypturnash wrote: post #56

So… this new app does most of what the depreciated “Keychain” app did, except now it’s got a iOS-looking UI. Huzzah, I guess, the “passwords” section in the iOS-restyled system prefs sure wasn’t substituting for Keychain for me. Passwords doesn’t appear to handle secure notes, though, and I still have a few of those, too. I still really hate the iOS-restyled system prefs. Tiny unresizable text, a long vertical scroll…

I noticed a "Notes" section in password items. So, I guess in theory you could utilize those. But my biggest one is wanting to store secure files. Think copies of a drivers license, signed documents or various certs and keys. That's not being covered here either for me sadly. It's not a super common situation for me so I can probably find an alternative app for that purpose. Edit: Also for notes, I'd just password pr…

Can’t you just paste the DL image into a Note and then password protect it?

I frankly just have photos of DL and insurance cards in my photos with tags to make finding them easy. Although note with the text searchable images that’s largely not even needed.

I don’t get what the security concern in. My photo reel is way more secure than my actual wallet.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by WorldMaker »

cletus wrote: post #271
thisarticle wrote: post #172

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They’re releasing an app for Windows that will solve that piece at least. It’ll sync across both.

In the same way I don't trust Google not to cancel whatever it is they just announced, I don't trust apple to keep supporting software on platforms that aren't theirs. They just don't have a good track record and no real incentives. The last widespread Apple sosftware on non-Apple platforms was probably iTunes, which was terrible.

Apple's recent track record (Apple Music, Apple TV) is surprisingly good. The apps on Windows and Xbox have been trending better/gaining features at a good pace with respect to Mac OS and iOS.

There is a sense that Swift has opened up cross-platform app initiatives at Apple that they wouldn't have done just a few years back.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by hackeman300 »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #493
rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

Ever used the virtual keyboard on treasurydirect.gov? I have resorted to DOM manipulation in DevTools so I can just paste my password in.

I think they finally changed this recently to allow you to paste in- I've resorted to the same workaround in the past though.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by el_benhameen »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #493
rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

Ever used the virtual keyboard on treasurydirect.gov? I have resorted to DOM manipulation in DevTools so I can just paste my password in.

What a shitshow that was! I’m pretty sure they’ve deprecated that part of the login process now, though. It’s much smoother, in a relative sense.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by freedomben »

nullindividual wrote: post #141
smsm42 wrote: post #25

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No Linux or Android, which makes it useless for anybody having any devices running those. And since nobody wants to use two password managers, it remains a better solution to use a truly multi-platform one.

Linux isn't even relevant in this context with it's <1% DWM install base. Android, yes you have a point, though a Mac and Android is a strange combination.

> though a Mac and Android is a strange combination.

Probably so, but there is one demographic well represented here that does this routinely: Developers. Macs are the default and often mandatory computers issued to developers at tech companies (I strongly disagree with this approach and think employees should get the platform they are most comfortable on, but Macs only is the current state of things in most places).

So many use Macs because of work, but have Android phones due to reasons I won't articulate here, mostly due to time but also with the audience on this article I expect it would melt down into an argument about which flavor of ice cream is better (metaphorically, not literally). Suffice it to say, Android users would agree with the reasons, Apple users will say you shouldn't be doing those things anyway, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

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