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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by ralfd »

menacingly wrote: post #325
mvkel wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you consider the best frontier LLM in the world "not that impressive," I'm curious to know what you think is

I think the point is not "chatGPT isn't good", it's that no one is beating physics, you can rough out the coefficients on a napkin, and they're playing chicken with who wants to set more piles of money on fire. It _is_ the best frontier LLM in the world, and virtually the entire global population of people who care about that are in this thread

This will change when the rumors turn out to be true and Apples Siri is powered by OpenAI and a billion people have a working conversational AI in their pocket.

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Post by bamboozled »

DalasNoin wrote: post #414
ascorbic wrote: post #410

Jan Leike has said he's leaving too https://twitter.com/janleike/status/1790603862132596961

There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

I guess if they really thought we had something to worry about, they would've stayed just to steer things in the right direction.

Doesn't seem like they felt it was required.

Edit: I'd love to know why the down votes, it's an opinion, not a political statement. This community is quite off lately.

Is this a highly controversial statement ? People are truly worried about the future and this is just an anxiety based reaction ?

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Post by seydor »

Tenoke wrote: post #395
seydor wrote: post #340

What next? Meta?

Ilya cares about AI Safety and AGI. Meta's whole positioning is to dismiss it. No way he goes there.

Maybe the best to guarantee safety is to openly share the science. Lecun is also more 'academic style' than most competing labs

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Post by fhd2 »

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the phrase "So long, and thanks for everything" used in the tweet reminds me of "So long, and thanks for all the fish" from the dolphins in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. The background there is that dolphins are secretly more intelligent than humans, and are leaving Earth without them when its destruction is imminent (something the humans don't see coming).

I did once leave a company with a phrase just like that :P A few people there actually got the reference and congratulated me for the burn.

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Post by cm2187 »

samspenc wrote: post #68
ed_mercer wrote: post #62

How good or bad is this for OpenAI?

A few years ago? Probably catastrophic, he was Chief Scientist after all. Now? Probably not too much, they have enough investment, and additionally talented people wanting to join. I mean, Andrej Karpathy also joined and left OpenAI twice and it didn't impact operations much. I think OpenAI is now where Google was at or just before its IPO, a few key players leaving isn't going to impact them as much as it would have…

That may be true in term of engineering, but I think everyone had switched to google as their search engine by then. I am not sure openai has captured the market quite in the same way, as I think people are still mostly experimenting with AI, the integration time in any large company is much slower than the rate of progress of AI. And it's not clear to me that there is much of a vendor lockin to use the openai API vs an equivalent competitor.

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Post by danielbln »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #485
danielbln wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A plane takes a LOT more energy than a bird, yet both fly, one of them a lot faster.

A plane is good at hauling cargo and goes fast, but general flying skills? Doesn't even come close.

Exactly, a giant LLM is not even close to be as power efficient as a human brain, in the same vein as a plane isn't as good at general flying. Yet it provides huge value and in many dimensions (that are important to us as humans) a plane can do way more than any bird.

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Post by [deleted] »

nabla9 wrote: post #447
zoogeny wrote: post #362

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

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Post by mrklol »

ralfd wrote: post #480
nabla9 wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

How important are top science guys though? OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money, and llm are better understood, I would guess continous development will beat singular genius heroes?

They definitely need them to find new approaches which you won’t find normally.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

izend wrote: post #366
snowbyte wrote: post #365

When walking around the U of Toronto, I often think that ~10 years ago Ilya was in a lab next to Alex trying to figure things out. I can't believe this new AI wave started there. Ilya, Karpathy, Jimmy Ba, and many more were at the right time when Hinton was there too.

And none of them build AI companies in Toronto. I’m Canadian and disappointed at how ineffective we are at building successful companies.

Canada is addicted to rent seeking, monopoly businesses, corporations that push regulatory capture on the gov't and then parasitize, and -- most of all -- ripping resources out of the ground and selling them cheap, or doing the same with real estate.

My latest annoyance is all the moaning and groaning about the latest capital gains tax increase. People complaining on one hand about how the Canadian economy lacks productivity, and then screaming to high heaven about tax policy that mostly only impacts people making quick speculative cash.

Investment takes no risks in this country because they don't have to. They just dump money into real estate or oil & gas instead and then hang at the lake in the Muskokas.

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