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Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by jakupovic »

hef19898 wrote: post #466
brookst wrote: post #431

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Is the integrity at risk from allowing difficult controversial subjects? Or from prohibiting them?

The latter. There are two recent topics that ended in flagging and really low quality doscussions, no curiosity, no open mindedness and sometimes utter disregard of human rights: Caste based discrimination and the war in Gaza. The latter usually has "pro-Gaza" submissions flagged even faster than the former had for stuff critizing castes and caste based discrimination. I am torn, in the one hand those discussions are…

There are not multiple views on subjects, that part is subjective, per se. There is objective truth which this site is trying to prevent via flagging and other ways to limit discussions. The whole point around HN is about tech news etc. is BS, to me at least, as there is no way to disentangle anything from politics as we live in the world ruled and controlled by such interests.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by jakupovic »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #445
immibis wrote: post #243

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Unfortunately, everything is politics and politics is inescapable. "Ignoring politics" is also a political action and a political statement.

No it isn't. You are perhaps obligated to take an interest in your own democracy, although that doesn't mean you're obligated to inject it into your workplace and every facet of life. You are by no means obligated to take an interest in wars on other continents. Especially not to subject your poor coworkers to your Gell-Man Amnesia-ridden opinions on it!

This country is actively involved in M.E. discussions and actions. There is no escaping it.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by bawolff »

prmoustache wrote: post #485
bawolff wrote: post #297

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Essentially that implies Israel will get shot at and not be allowed to shoot back. I suspect most Israelis would find that unreasonable. Israeli civilians don't like being killed anymore than Palestinian civilians do. The thing that usually prevents war is that both sides lose in the end. If only one side is allowed to shoot, why would the side being allowed to shoot ever stop? They would be getting all the benefits…

> Essentially that implies Israel will get shot at and not be allowed to shoot back. I suspect most Israelis would find that unreasonable. Israeli civilians don't like being killed anymore than Palestinian civilians do. We are talking about Gaza. The only Israelis being shot there are Israeli militari attacking the Gaza strip. If you are talking missiles, well Israel should abandon the colonies and create a no man's…

> We are talking about Gaza. The only Israelis being shot there are Israeli militari attacking the Gaza strip.

What exactly do you think happened on oct 7?

> If you are talking missiles, well Israel should abandon the colonies and create a no man's land where no civilian, be it Israeli or Palestinian, can go, and only shoot those that trespass.

They did do that to Gaza in 2005. That is how we arrived at the current situation.

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Post by hef19898 »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #462
throwawayhate wrote: post #415

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These are the horrifying realities of war. People may die. Borders may move. Atrocities may happen. Does the defender turn into the aggressor and vice versa, when the „Winning“ side changes? Should war just „end“ at this point?

Does the aggressor change? Yes, absolutely, it can and does. Shouod a war "just" end? Also, a resounding YES, a war should end as soon as possible.

Unless, of course, one side just wants and needs the war to go on and on...

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Post by b-side »

greatgib wrote: post #455

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Wow, that is a mighty slippery slope you are on. You do realise that with the same rationale, all Western media outlets are propagandists in the eyes of nations like Russia, Iran & China? Do we really want the precedent to be that it is okay to kill journalists as long as they disagree with you?

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Post by hef19898 »

whiterknight wrote: post #448
ciconia wrote: post #21

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> This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. What's a political post? What's "regular news"? And where do you draw the line? If not interested, you can just move on and ignore. There's plenty of AI articles all over the front page.

There is already a test described in the rules: “do you expect to read it on a headline of a major news outlet” if yes, it may not be of HN interest.

That would exclude, e.g., every senate hearing of big tech. Or anti-trust case against big tech. Not sure this argument holds up to scrutiny.

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Post by rat9988 »

dang wrote: post #24
leereeves wrote: post #16

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If this topic merits discussion on HN, can you do something about the flagging? It seems like someone is flagging every comment to prevent discussion.

Edit: oh, you were asking about comments. In my haste I missed that and thought you were asking about submissions. There are lots of comments in this thread that aren't flagged, so discussion isn't being prevented. It's true that a lot of the earlier comments were flagged, but that was (or should be) because they were flamebait. It's one of the downsides of internet commenting that the flameiest and most reflexive co…

It's surprisingly dismissive. It's not that because not all of the comments aren't flagged that discussion isn't being prevented. And the (or should be) does most of the work when you talk about flagged are flagged because they were flamebait.

I'm pretty sure it's not an easy task to moderate HN. But I'm still surprised by the answer here.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by hef19898 »

shiroiushi wrote: post #482
brtln wrote: post #469

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I thought it was started by the guy who murdered Archduke Ferdinand.

That was WW1, and even then it was Austria-Hungary's reaction to it, backed by Germany in combination with the political climate that started it.
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