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You keep arguing based on how you believe things should be instead of how they actually are . Do you realize how pointless this discussion is? And unless you have a way to show you are actively working to bring your ideas into reality, do you realize how naive and/or full of BS you sound?
> You keep arguing based on how you believe things should be instead of how they actually are. Do you realize how pointless this discussion is? And unless you have a way to show you are actively working to bring your ideas into reality, do you realize how naive and/or full of BS you sound? I'm trying to problem solve here, because I want to see this tech.
Goodbye non-KISS appliances
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Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't get why it matters so much to people. It's all just incentives aligning and how the deals work. Think of it like working conditions getting increasingly poor and abusive year over year, while your salary stays fixed. It matters not because the deals are increasingly shit and abusive, but also because them being much better is within most of our's living memories, and there's no actual reason for things to g…
That would not be a problem of subscriptions though. If they can just keep increasing prices unfairly, then it means something is wrong with free market, not with subscriptions.
And yes, there's plenty of wrong with the free market, starting with that it's a hypothetical construct that doesn't exist, and even if it did, it's gameable and would have been gamed by the vendors the same way the real market is.
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't zero sum. They could simply add the gizmos and keep the important bits the same as their refined, reliable 20 year old designs. What they're actually doing is actively spending engineering resources to enshittify what was already perfected to boost profit.
For better or for worse, no, they could not have kept the working bits the same. The US EPA has progressively tightened restrictions both on what refrigerants can be used and how much electricity can be used. Instead of focusing on making that reliable, they're focusing on making it cheap so they can add gizmos. Besides, if you've got to replace a fridge every five years now that's a win for the appliance manufacture…
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
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Pretty much everything else could be done differently: - Calling in a warranty claim involved going through a troubleshooting script that wanted me to do things that my fridge could not do. LG needs to get their documentation in order so that their call center staff can at least approach being useful. - LG punted me to an authorized service center first thing. I'm in the Bay Area which should, IMO, be a large enough…
My experience went on for ~6 months of soap opera, similar to what you're describing, where an authorized service provider would "fix" it, and then it would stop cooling within a week or two. Then LG, or the authorized center, would diagnose some other thing that hadn't been replaced. No actual leaks were ever found, which was the problem after they replaced the compressor (the first thing they replaced, but it was o…
now they had access points to check the pressure.
This is such a mixed blessing. It's great for diagnostic work, but it's also one more place for things to leak over time. Cars can deal with leaks (and are expected to leak by design) but they've also got a couple pounds of refrigerant if we're talking R134a. A fridge has like 40 grams (which makes the explosion hazard stickers on the R600a fridges kinda funny). Were it me, I'd be very wary of accepting sealed system work under warranty. Also, the LG parts all had copper brazing points, so the tech never
had to work with aluminum/steel directly.
That's interesting. I wonder how the mix of metals bodes for longevity. Finally, I wonder, after your initial comment, if there was just a
problem with the refrigerant charge, which was causing your fan to
ice over as a byproduct because it was slightly under/overcharged
from the factory.
To be clear the whole evap was icing over. But the fan is, by necessity, quite close. I'm inclined to think it was filled properly at the factory because overall the build quality was leaps and bounds ahead of Whirlpool (and Frigidaire). It wouldn't take much to convince me that there was some sort of electronic component failure as one thermistor was already out of spec.With the LG I was a renter, so I was willing to push things along with LG and do as much diagnostic work as possible. But at the end of the day I didn't really want to dig into fixing anything myself because the fridge simply wasn't mine. I also didn't have room for a second "project" fridge. The landlady wasn't out anything because it was covered under the extended warranty (my initial call was a year + 1 day after the purchase) and LG bought it back for full retail price.
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#495One of the happier things I’ve done for myself lately, at the advice of this forum, was to get a rock-solid, dumb, black-and-white Brother laser printer. It sits there and just does its job and I never have to think about it. Does anyone have any tips as to the white-goods equivalents? Fridge, freezer, laundry machines, that kind of thing?
Speedqueen washers and dryers are simple and made in the US. Built like tanks. Double the cost of the cheap imports though.
Now, we have speed queens and I no longer am using buckets to fill our washing machine, don't have to babysit it, it doesn't randomly jump in the air suddenly as it's gotten out of balance for the 4th time in the day. I would never willingly wish that upon someone.
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
#496Earlier quoted context omitted.
For better or for worse, no, they could not have kept the working bits the same. The US EPA has progressively tightened restrictions both on what refrigerants can be used and how much electricity can be used. Instead of focusing on making that reliable, they're focusing on making it cheap so they can add gizmos. Besides, if you've got to replace a fridge every five years now that's a win for the appliance manufacture…
Depends where you are... EU requires a minimum two year warranty for example
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends where you are... EU requires a minimum two year warranty for example
Yeah there are no such protections stateside. Consumer companies took one look at the pandemic and saw dollar signs. With big appliances you'll get a flat one year warranty pretty much across the board even with European brands like Bosch. Big box stores tightened up their return policies as well. You've now got 48 hours (down from a month or two prior) to return big appliances. Extended warranties with any purchase…
I do wonder if that drives the higher prices we pay here though...?
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
#498Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah there are no such protections stateside. Consumer companies took one look at the pandemic and saw dollar signs. With big appliances you'll get a flat one year warranty pretty much across the board even with European brands like Bosch. Big box stores tightened up their return policies as well. You've now got 48 hours (down from a month or two prior) to return big appliances. Extended warranties with any purchase…
Is that 48 hours even if it's faulty? It's 30 days under law here to replace or refund (your choice) and within six months the retailer is still responsible for providing a repair or replacement (their choice). I do wonder if that drives the higher prices we pay here though...?
When LG bought my fridge back the original warranty had expired a day prior and things were being handled under the terms of the extended warranty my landlady bought.
Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances
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We buy lactose free milk because it lasts much longer
How long do your need to store your milk? Regular UHT milk is already good for months.