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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by Paradigma11 » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 1:20 PM UTC

lasfter wrote: post #224

TulliusCicero wrote: post #188

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So pushing Iraq out of Kuwait in 1991 wasn't defense? Fascinating worldview you got there.

Let's disregard that the USA encouraged Sadam to invade Kuwait and implied he would face no recourse if he did. Would you have been okay with Russia going to Iraq's aid when the USA invaded the second time? You think it's fine if Russia not only fought American troops in Iraq, but bombed the USA as well? That would have been defense by your logic, since that's exactly what the USA did to Iraq in 1991. Fascinating wor…

"Let's disregard that the USA encouraged Sadam to invade Kuwait and implied he would face no recourse if he did."

That never happened. The only thing that happened was SH having a talk to a US diplomat who was noncommittal because there was no official position on it yet. Because nobody expected SH to do something that stupid.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by 23B1 » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

freilanzer wrote: post #488

23B1 wrote: post #474

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The people with the most money are the citizens of the United States, to be clear.

Good one.

My point is that Americans can and will overthrow any regime that makes their lives hard(er). It'll take a LOT to encourage them, but they will do so, and there's even ways to do so peacefully and without violence. Elections, then state laws, then an Article V convention.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by kipchak » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 3:05 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #462

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #427

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The perfect career for an accelerationist.

We haven't even properly absorbed the impact of the last two tech revolutions, and the interval between them is shortening. I wasn't/still am not much of a believer in the acceleration scheme but the last two decades and a somewhat serious review of the last 200 years has me wondering if there isn't more to it than it seems.

It makes most sense to me if you think of change as a result of people doing things and sharing information and the size of the population. About 7% of the people who ever lived are are alive today.

https://info.nicic.gov/ces/global/population-demographics/ho...

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 4:29 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #462

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #427

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The perfect career for an accelerationist.

We haven't even properly absorbed the impact of the last two tech revolutions, and the interval between them is shortening. I wasn't/still am not much of a believer in the acceleration scheme but the last two decades and a somewhat serious review of the last 200 years has me wondering if there isn't more to it than it seems.

What do you define as the "last two tech revolutions"? I don't disagree with you, but I'm curious how far back you're thinking.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by ouraf » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 6:19 PM UTC

The conclusion is incomplete, though: why would OpenAI remove the military arbitrary search ban from the most popular part of the platform rather than making a MVP specifically to present the pentagon or other government actors?

they could add all the controversial bits into a private and contained profile or application.

There's something else happening that led to this. Maybe something mundane (a bug in the code or a hack to fix another bug that allowed more dangerous output as a side effect), but "to court the government" is an overly simplistic answer.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by lmm » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 11:18 PM UTC

Paradigma11 wrote: post #489

lmm wrote: post #302

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> There is no question that the US has acted like a bully in Southern America, but you ignore that other countries have acted the same way in other parts of the world[1], and with far more disastrous results[2]. No. The argument is not that having some other country as hegemon would be better than the US. The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be…

"The argument is that any single country being overly powerful is a negative, and a more multipolar would would be healthier." That would be a first, wouldnt it? We are currently seeing the consequences of the waning of the US unipolar Superpower. Venezuela had a referendum to annex large parts of its neighbor. Iran attacked nuclear Pakistan and has its proxies disrupt international shipping lanes and wage war agains…

> That would be a first, wouldnt it?

No? US intervention has some successes but many failures. The region where the US's dominance was most complete (South America) is also the region where its influence has been most negative. Conversely the most positive side of the US was on show when dealing with Europe during the Cold War era, where there was more of a balance of power.

> Turns out if given power people are jerks, who would have guessed.

Sure. The thing is that that applies to the US too.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by lmm » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 11:42 PM UTC

Paradigma11 wrote: post #490

lmm wrote: post #330

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> This is not a view shared by any experts on the ground. Russia still maintains enough potential to cause immense damage to Poland, Finland, and all other of its neighbours, even if they ultimately lose. Rebuilding Ukraine will take many decades and countless billions, and the vast areas Russians have mined will take many centuries to clear. The mines will maim and kill tens of thousands of people - some of who have…

Nobody would care about Russian minorities and their rights if Russia wouldnt weaponize them. Its a typical Russian strategy: Radicalize and support those minorities. If the country does not do anything, it has a rebellious subversive group being directed by a hostile country. If it does anything it just goes to show how hostile and suppressive those countries are which justifies more official Russian reactions. Also…

> Nobody would care about Russian minorities and their rights if Russia wouldnt weaponize them.

Anyone who cares about protecting non-Russian ex-Soviet languages and cultures for principled reasons should care about protecting the Russian language and culture in places where they're a minority, for the same reason.

> Also dont forget that those loyal Russian minorities were part of the imperial oppressive structure by which Russia ruled over its subjects.

The Russian empire transplanted various peoples at various times as a tool of oppression, but that's hardly the fault or responsibility of the poor peasants who got transplanted. And on the ruling side, Stalin the Georgian was every bit as oppressive and imperial as Russian rulers before or since.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by kornhole » Thu, Jan 18, 2024, 11:59 PM UTC

reducesuffering wrote: post #487

kornhole wrote: post #483

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Oh thank you for the sweet compliment. However, I am probably older than you and have studied psychological operations and cognitive warfare for many years. I am not sure of what point you are trying to make about Russia by sending a US state media article about China.

Idc how old you are or what you studied if you can’t make a point with evidence. You can’t even read well since the title and article clearly mention it includes Russian influence operations. “ Russian anti-Ukraine network spoofed Washington Post and Fox News Separately, Meta said on Tuesday that it was continuing to take down fake accounts and ban fraudulent websites connected to a Russian influence operation aimed…

I generally do not engage with people who call me a child nor spend much time on state propaganda designed to garner support for more censorship and war with other countries, but I will point out some glaring flaws in this narrative.

Try to create a fake Facebook account. If it is not shutdown in a day or two, try to gain a significant following. Then try posting information favorable to Russia or China and test how many people actually receive it through the Facebook filters. Now try scaling this by creating many fake accounts. I can tell you with high certainty, that you and even a small army of people will not be able to reach many people or have much persuasion influence.

The second problem here is attribution. The claim is that these were Russian or Chinese accounts. Any of us savy with the internet know how easy it is to proxy our traffic through foreign IP addresses and leave the right fingerprints. If Russian or Chinese state actors created these accounts, you would have no way of knowing who or where they are.

As we saw in the Hamilton 68 hoax, the accounts that were banned were mostly Americans with dissident views rather than Russians.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by thiagoharry » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 12:14 AM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #195

amrocha wrote: post #178

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It's disingenuous to ignore the effect the aggression of the cold war and its aftermath had on the current Russian situation. With Taiwan, it's a delicate situation and I'm not familiar enough with it to comment on it. But I notice you conveniently left out all the times the US just did interventionism because it was convenient. Iraq? Most recently Venezuela? If we go back long enough, how about literally all of Sout…

What military interventionism in Venezuela? The US applied sanctions when Maduro started suppressing democracy, sure, but that's not the same thing as airstrikes or invading. This sounds like goalpost moving, since we were talking specifically about military force. The US has a shit history of intervening in Latin America from the 20th century, no argument there, but it's been several decades now at least since the U…

> but it's been several decades now at least since the US overthrow a democracy in that region.

Isn't because it takes several decades for the secret documents being declassified? Of course the official discourse of USA is that they did nothing. However, we have several accusations of interference in Latin America in a lot of soft coups and more direct attacks like in Bolivia (2019) and Venezuela (a coup in 2002 and a mercenary attack in 2020).

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by reducesuffering » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

kornhole wrote: post #498

reducesuffering wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idc how old you are or what you studied if you can’t make a point with evidence. You can’t even read well since the title and article clearly mention it includes Russian influence operations. “ Russian anti-Ukraine network spoofed Washington Post and Fox News Separately, Meta said on Tuesday that it was continuing to take down fake accounts and ban fraudulent websites connected to a Russian influence operation aimed…

I generally do not engage with people who call me a child nor spend much time on state propaganda designed to garner support for more censorship and war with other countries, but I will point out some glaring flaws in this narrative. Try to create a fake Facebook account. If it is not shutdown in a day or two, try to gain a significant following. Then try posting information favorable to Russia or China and test how…

Sweet summer child is a term for naivety. -1 for your understanding of the world around you. Almost no one in US and Japanese state departments want war. They would be very pleased with Russia and China not invading their neighbors for conquest though, as would most decent people. If you never defend yourself against conquest you don’t have a state.

Then your pass at manually creating a Facebook account as an hour long side job presenting as evidence completely sidesteps the fact that it’s not remotely the equivalent of Russian state level resources, nor is it even remotely close to just Facebook properties with their levels of inauthenticity countering. Cue X, 4chan, French politicians, YouTube, indy sites like ZeroHedge, etc.

Then your ridiculous handwave of “fake” typical of uneducated retorts to experts whose entire job and training is analyzing, determining, and reporting these issues. Ya, I remember these asinine arguments well when people like you were on HN deriding the Guccifer 2.0 DNC hack as having no evidence it was the Russian state. No surprise how that turned out. They were wrong, Guccifer 2.0 was Russia duh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0