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Post by underdeserver »

lossolo wrote: post #432
mastazi wrote: post #42

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I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other. I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets. As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm th…

The majority of the world is against Israel's occupation of Palestine, a stance that is reflected in numerous UN General Assembly votes. Holding a pro-Israel position in this context represents a very US centric view, which is not similarly echoed in the rest of the world.

No, the majority of the world is against Israel's occupation of the West Bank, and until 2005 when Israel left Gaza, its occupation of Gaza.

The October 7th attack was carried out against civilians in their homes living on land that is internationally recognized as Israel by an overwhelming majority of countries.

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Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #479
submeta wrote: post #342

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Well, that’s not a fair comparison. Palestinians may have a lot of muslims on their side, but the whole western world—-or more precisely: their media and people in power—-fully support anything Israel does. No consequences. Au contraire: Looking at Germany for instance, anyone remotely criticising Israel for even gross violations of international human rights or Geneva Conventions (for instance for withholding water,…

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„ The phrase was also used by the Israeli ruling Likud party as part of their 1977 election manifesto which stated "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." This slogan was repeated by Menachem Begin.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

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Post by zlg_codes »

master_crab wrote: post #13
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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rushingcreek wrote: post #29
master_crab wrote: post #13

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It’s obviously true that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic. But that’s also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually antisemitic. Both of these things can be true at once.

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Post by callalex »

ristlane wrote: post #324
krapp wrote: post #238

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It's the same standard the entire world held the US to after 9/11. A response to the attacks by Al-Qaeda was justified, the 20 year "Crusade" across the Middle East was not. A response by Israel against Hamas terrorism is justified - a campaign of extermination and genocide is not. It isn't even a high standard, "don't commit genocide" has been the bare minimum requirement for any modern country, much less democracy,…

I don’t believe that the IDF wants to kill Gazan civilians.

And yet they keep doing it, over and over and over and over again.

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Post by dralley »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

I'm not sure that fully explains it. There is incredible amounts of anti-Israel disinformation as well, that would be easily debunked with a reverse image search if anyone could be bothered.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/11/hamas-attacks-isr...

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/12/08/images-of-syrian-...

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Post by fastasucan »

paulddraper wrote: post #301
dragonwriter wrote: post #293

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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok Judging this by the method used (counts of uses of top 5 hashtags associated with the conflict) is ludicrously bad as a methodology, because, aside from not looking at sentiment, its prone to being radically wrong if one side is more consistent in hashtag use than the other.

What's the more correct way?

Not expecting tik tok to be a representation of the Gen Z population and to expect the normal should be a 50/50 distribution in addition to think that the groups are mutual exclusive. i.e if you have posted content that "suppport" either side that means you do not support the opposite. Its perfectly fine to be horrified both of civilians killed in a terrorist attack and civilians being bombed.

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fxd123 wrote: post #478
dragonwriter wrote: post #466

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> Recall that Palestine's goal is to eliminate all Jews. No, that's not Palestine’s goal. Its not even clearly the goal of the Palestinian Islamist extremist group Israel fostered specifically to have a less sympathetic enemy to deflect pressure for peace with Palestine to use as a pretext for perpetual war, though it may be, and whose fault is that?

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The Israeli government (and particularly the faction that, on top of lots of prior ills. incited, celebrated, and has run the government for most of the time since the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin) is not “the Jews”, though promoting that rhetorical equivalency has been their favorite way of deflecting foreign criticism for, well, decades.

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submeta wrote: post #492
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #479

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„ The phrase was also used by the Israeli ruling Likud party as part of their 1977 election manifesto which stated "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." This slogan was repeated by Menachem Begin.“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

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Post by miketery »

mastrsplyntr wrote: post #395

Why is America so fixated on Israel? Groups like AIPAC and the Israeli lobby seem to be steering U.S. policies in ways that don't necessarily benefit the U.S., while potentially harming its interests. Here's what's at stake: This alliance seems to be turning about two billion people and dozens of muslim-majority nations against America, driving them towards alliances with countries like China. American taxpayer money…

It's realpolitik. It's not about Israel. It's about Russia and Iran. To a lesser extent it's also about the Suez.

It also doesn't hurt that any aid, is defense spending in the US which is a stimulus for jobs or manufacturing for defense.

Overall it's cheap expenditure for the US.

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