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OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Having the CEO of Quora on the board also smells of a vested interest to hold the company/non-profit back.

ya that’s a crazy conflict of interest. 8 years ago it may not have been so obvious though.

He joined 5 years ago: https://twitter.com/sama/status/988859465863647234?lang=en

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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> I hope Sam comes back Why? We would have more diversity in this space if he leaves, which would get us another AI startup with huge funding and know how from OpenAI, while OpenAI would become less Sam Altman like. I think him staying is bad for the field overall compared to OpenAI splitting in two.

How much of OpenAI’s success can you attribute to sama’s leadership and how much to the technical achievements of those who work under him. My understanding is that OpenAI’s biggest advantage is that they recruited and attracted the best in the field, presumably under the charter of providing AI for everyone. Not sure that sama and gdb starting their own company in the same space will produce similar results.

No, they recruited top talent by provided top pay.

From 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/technology/artificial-int...

To 2023: https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo...

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Maybe. Or maybe they can profit differently going forward. Sam is not the reason OpenAI is gangbusters, its tech is. What I’m not hearing in any of this reporting is how Sam Altman is somehow the secret sauce. And it’s because he isn’t. This is “rules for thee but not for me”. He as a bad fit, 2/3 the board outed him, and investors are mad because they didn’t feel included. You know, like how they include employees i…

> And it’s because he isn’t. This is “rules for thee but not for me”. He as a bad fit, 2/3 the board outed him, and investors are mad because they didn’t feel included. The fact that they're openly considering bringing him back should tell you that he's not just some random person whose job anyone can do. He's extremely well connected and was the face of the company - the face of deals that the company made. And you…

If I were at open AI I'd side with tech leadership and research over business leadership and an even better compensation package, but that is an irrational bias on my part. It seems like the non-profit is getting persuaded by partners not to mess with the revenue stream. Perhaps Ilya would be a better fit at Keen. But Carmack is all about moving fast amd breaking things too, with no concern for ethics or safety, just the science. So maybe not there either.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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It now seems to me that it was inevitable that something like GPT would take off - but it didn't necessarily have to come from OpenAI. Someone else would have filled their place. The collective ML knowledge and research were rapidly evolving, computing was getting faster and cheaper. The pressure was building and at some point, something somewhere had to pop off. They were a great but not a singular team. And it look…

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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This saga is somehow more absurd than HBO's Silicon Valley.

I worked at a startup that was more absurd than anything on "Silicon Valley".

Mike Judge says they had to tone down the advice they got from consultants for that show who were working in tech. The ideas they got (from people working in the real Silicon Valley) were too crazy for audiences to believe.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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It's insane to me how easily Sam's side can spin the board firing him for violating the company's Charter and then not backtracking at all as "Within 24 hours the board has come crawling back, I- er Sam Altman might deign to return if they grovel hard enough and I'm given complete control." This is really, really clearly incestuous tech media stuff as part of a pressure campaign. Sam is the darlin of tech media and h…

Agreed the article is more about probing the board’s weakness. But the board seems to have a weak hand. It can decide to disappoint the for profit investors. But it doesn’t own Sam, or the vast majority of the workers, and maybe not much of the know how. And they can walk if the board disappoints them. The board’s altruism might be great, but it lacks the legal tools to do what it wants, against organized labor backe…

I'd like to hear more about the board's argument before deciding that this was "virtuous board vs greedy capitalist". The motivations for both sides is still unclear.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Was the article changed for this? Used to be this one from the verge: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai... but was since changed to https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/18/openai-in...

There were two threads that were probably merged.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Any talented engineer or scientist who actually wants to ship product AND make money would head over to Sam’s startup. Any investor who cares about making money would fund Sam’s startup as well. The way the board pulled this off really gave them no good outcome. They stand to lose talent AND investors AND customers. Half the people I know who use GPT in their work are wondering if it will be even worth paying for if…

And any talented engineer or scientist who actually wants to build safe AGI in an organization that isn't obsessed with boring B2B SaaS would align with Ilya. See, there are two sides to this? Sam isn't a god, despite what the media makes him out to be; none of them are.

AGI has nothing to do with transformers. It's a hypothetical towards which there has been no progress other than finding things that didn't work. It's a cool thing to work on, but it's so different than what the popular version of openAI is, and it has such different timescales and economics... if some vestigial openAI wants to work on that, cool. There is definitely also room in the market for the current openAI centered around GPT-x et al, even if some people consider SaaS beneath them, and I hope they (OpenAI) find a way to continue with that mission.
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