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Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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- i do not believe that there is any country in the world today that has a functioning democracy. Because we are not living in ideal word. Truly functioning democracy require freedom of knowledge to have free and conscious decision in voting. Our decisions are shaped mostly by media. Which is, again, centralized. Also, if you want to be elected by people, you need to be a populist. So democratic system tend to shape…

Because we are not living in ideal word. i agree with every point in that paragraph. I don't agree with global level. Nations has different wealth, different technologies, etc. You cannot apply same rules for US or India with traffic rules i meant the general stuff, like on which side to drive on, the colors of traffic lights, the design of street signs. those are pretty much already a global standard, and rightly so…

...we need to invest into those countries and build them up much like we built up some countries

I find investment like this quite a problematic. It makes places, that would be naturally inhabited, artificially alive with huge cost. It's not sustainable approach.

Generally all kinds of grants makes inequalities in society. Either, you have free market that naturally shape possibilities. Or you brake it by investments and grants. Learning process how to obtain a capital and manage it is more valuable than giving sources to dilettantes. Sure, we have mechanisms that control, how well is grant spent but then you invest time to control, instead of developing.

we started out with rulers being absolute, like kings, etc.

Kings, in history, has much less impact to personal life than politics nowadays. Due to globalization, technology and overall amount of laws, restrictions and regulations spread in it. 2020 is great example how fear that has been spread in mass media, lockdown almost whole world.

so we need to change the understanding. that those elected representatives are there to serve us. not we serve them. their responsibility is to take care of our problems, and find and propose just solutions and rules for us to be able to live together.

They will serve to power. Because being elected in democracy means being a populist. It's not about serving to people at first place. You cannot win elections with this in democratic system.

no more toeing the party line. make decisions only based on your conscience.

While I agree, I'm not sure if individualism is a way to go. Conscience is shaped, mostly in childhood by your parents. If you grow up in pathological environment, later you spread same behavior. Notice that normalization of being a victim, unstable and a deviant is strong nowadays. I prefer dialogue, going out from comfort zone and cultivation of mind by active socialization. Note that this is not rhetoric we can observe today with amount of time spent affront of screen. Alone in our safe bubbles.

also give each person multiple votes.

There are some methods, that could improve voting system, like D21 (1.) Basically it operate with possibilities of voting with two plus votes and one negative vote. That negative vote could eliminate populism in political campaigns. I'm not saying its perfect, but idea of giving one vote to someone, who is chosen by party or promoted by public opinion polls is just an illusion of free vote.

i don't think a perfect system is possible.

It never will be. But more dangerous is a thinking, that we have perfect democratic system and there are no other options. Usually those who are afraid of changes comes up with communism. Well... I live in post-communistic country and we still face communistic rhetoric in democratic state, usually from those, who name themselves as anti-communists. So again, we came back to circle, where political system tend to put individuals to categories and let them fight each other.

(1.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D21_%E2%80%93_Jane%C4%8Dek_met...

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we are not living in ideal word. i agree with every point in that paragraph. I don't agree with global level. Nations has different wealth, different technologies, etc. You cannot apply same rules for US or India with traffic rules i meant the general stuff, like on which side to drive on, the colors of traffic lights, the design of street signs. those are pretty much already a global standard, and rightly so…

...we need to invest into those countries and build them up much like we built up some countries I find investment like this quite a problematic. It makes places, that would be naturally inhabited, artificially alive with huge cost. It's not sustainable approach. Generally all kinds of grants makes inequalities in society. Either, you have free market that naturally shape possibilities. Or you brake it by investments…

...we need to invest into those countries and build them up much like we built up some countries

I find investment like this quite a problematic. It makes places, that would be naturally inhabited, artificially alive with huge cost. It's not sustainable approach.

i agree that there are problematic investments, but the statement as it is is way to generic. consider some african megacities, like kampala in uganda that i was able to visit recently. the city has literally no public transport infrastructure, roads are in a bad shape and growth is uncontrolled.

it will take a massive investment to make that city livable. ideally, that investment comes from local sources. i am not suggesting that foreign funds should just swoop in and spend money without cooperating with locals to consider their needs. but a better infrastructure is definitely needed.

i am also not talking about grants. that's charity. an investment is something that has the expectation of a return of some form. i agree that learning how to obtain capital is important. what i was thinking of is to do more trade with those countries. fair trade, not the kind of exploitative trade that i referenced as example.

They will serve to power. Because being elected in democracy means being a populist. It's not about serving to people at first place. You cannot win elections with this in democratic system.

that is something that we need to change. the only way i see that this can be achieved is education. it will take decades, but it is not out of reach to teach us how to build a society that fosters unity and cooperation instead of competition.

If you grow up in pathological environment, later you spread same behavior.

this too can only be counteracted with better education.

I prefer dialogue, going out from comfort zone and cultivation of mind by active socialization.

i agree. this is part of it.

giving one vote to someone, who is chosen by party or promoted by public opinion polls is just an illusion of free vote

exactly that is how i see it too. which is why i conclude that the current systems are not democratic.

more dangerous is a thinking, that we have perfect democratic system and there are no other options

very much so.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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A good place you can start is looking at "The Country School of Tomorrow"

I found a 26 page book on archive org written in 1913 . Did you meant that book ?

Who is the writer? Do your own research and don't trust some idiot on the Internet to give you ideas
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