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Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by em-bee »

Zetobal wrote: post #380
reuven wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I saw that I was banned, and thought, "OK, I'll deal with this another time." I hadn't heard horror stories. I didn't know that there was any such thing as a lifetime ban. It never occurred to me that if I didn't act soon, it would make a difference. I don't think that it's a sob story at all. I think that it's (a) incredibly funny that they would make such a mistake, (b) a combination of bad UI and bad ser…

You have a lot of really strong opinions without anything backing up your bogus claims (AI, endangered animals...). The view of you and your work really took a dive for me AND every user should be worried if a random employee at meta could "just" overwrite bans. Your entitlement and worse your assumptions provided as facts are deafening.

every user should be worried if a random employee at meta could "just" overwrite bans

sorry what?

human review should always be able to override an automatic decision. in fact, in the EU automatic decisions are actually illegal if they affect a persons life.

reuven is not asking for any of his friends at meta to be able to override the ban directly, but they should be able to escalate the case to a person or a team that actually is able to verify the claims and remove the ban.

the fact that this is not possible is both hilarious and sad.

please try to read comments as being made in good faith instead of assuming the worst possible interpretation.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by ehPReth »

x0x0 wrote: post #422
miki123211 wrote: post #344

Other similar cases I'm aware of. * The Scunthorpe problem, AOL didn't let users set their hometown to Scunthorpe because of the "cunt" substring. This is a classic. * Amazon banning sales of Guns N' Roses merch (because guns). * People named Miranda having issues with bank transfers (because of the substring "Iran"). * Some games displaying the nickname "Nasser" as "N* er", suggesting that it is the n word. Alexa no…

In other "we can absolutely totally build ai, no really guys, this shit works" news: A friend is losing some weight via diet and exercise changes. We have a messages convo wherein I congratulated him and we discuss both our exercise routines. One of Google's autosuggested response emojis was a kiss. This has happened repeatedly over the 6 months-long conversation.

maybe it wants you to be more than just friends (i.e. is 'shipping' you two) :)

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by reuven »

em-bee wrote: post #491
Zetobal wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a lot of really strong opinions without anything backing up your bogus claims (AI, endangered animals...). The view of you and your work really took a dive for me AND every user should be worried if a random employee at meta could "just" overwrite bans. Your entitlement and worse your assumptions provided as facts are deafening.

every user should be worried if a random employee at meta could "just" overwrite bans sorry what? human review should always be able to override an automatic decision. in fact, in the EU automatic decisions are actually illegal if they affect a persons life. reuven is not asking for any of his friends at meta to be able to override the ban directly, but they should be able to escalate the case to a person or a team t…

Exactly, no one was asking for a random Meta employee to change things. Rather, three different people filed tickets through an established internal system, and were told that no, there was no way to undo this change.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by selcuka »

In a company I worked for 20+ years ago the IT set up an email "spam filter" that used a big list of regexes, but the problem was the filter ran on the raw message, so it also filtered SMTP headers.

I noticed this when an email that was routed through smtp123.essex.hp.com or something similar never arrived to my mailbox.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by kukkeliskuu »

pjmlp wrote: post #316
kukkeliskuu wrote: post #285

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When you see a phenomena described in literature, you have some emotional distance to it. It may be more easy for you to accept the possibility that such a phenomena can exist. Sometimes people cannot bear to see the phenomena in real life even if it is very clear for many people. Life is complex, so there are always many opportunities for weave a narrative to explain away phenomena that you cannot bear to see.

Having been born as the first free generation on a post ditactorship Portugal, I definitly have another relationship growing up to stories from PIDE/DGS and colonial war survivors. And I should note, compared to some countries, things were relatively soft on our case.

Yes, I believe you. However, other people may react differently from you, and they may react even more strongly if they have been living in the dictatorship themselves. I have spent some time in dictatorships, and it is not uncommon for some people to admire the strength of the dictator. Living in a situation changes how you think, and the more stressful the situation, the more you become emotionally committed to how you think, making it difficult to change it.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by smsm42 »

jessriedel wrote: post #421
zmmmmm wrote: post #91

What I find most frustrating about this is that they straight up lie to you. They don't actually review your account and the ban isn't permanent. The minute people in this situation get through to a human (one with any autonomy, anyway) the ban gets reversed. So it's all about the cost and efficiency and convenience for Facebook/Meta. I definitely think there need to be laws made about this. Because it's really clear…

But why is it not in Meta's interest to have a human take a quick look at this? Or ask the user to pay for a human review? How much can it cost, in human time? $20?

They don't have enough human moderators to be able to handle it, and they don't want to hire more. You can't hire a moderator just for an hour - you'd have to recruit them, train them, continuously employ them, manage them, provide them benefits, etc. - it'd make an amortized per-review cost likely way higher than $20.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by jeltz »

hn8305823 wrote: post #442
Fischgericht wrote: post #319

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Own, I'm a RIPE member. Clean subnet, never been on any blacklist whatsoever.

I wounder if it was tagged as "data center" by default without knowing who/what/how it's actually being used. It certainly wouldn't be considered the most privileged (residential) by default. It doesn't matter if it's "clean" and has never been in any spam/abuse blacklists. Apparently it is (wrongly) assumed that a data center IP is someone scripting/scraping, or worse. Ignoring the fact that actual humans do work an…

Also many corporate VPNs use data center IPs.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by bowsamic »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #205
bowsamic wrote: post #60

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It is BS, the real reason they don’t tell you is because they genuinely don’t know

Oh they know, it's just that giving you the time of day costs them money and effort. Which is weird because they were earning money off of the adverts.

I’m saying that they don’t bc their algorithm is totally opaque

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by sigsergv »

gosub100 wrote: post #456
londons_explore wrote: post #412

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> AIs and other opaque processes making decisions are incredibly frustrating. Simply better messaging would fix most of this. One approach is to be upfront and say: Our automated AI systems have decided that it probably isn't in our best interests to do business with you. We can't elaborate on why, because that would give clues to spammers to help evade our detection of them. However, if you are willing to pay us $15…

> pay us $15, then some business-school asshat will say "wait! I have the most disruptive idea! let's tweak the algo to get 10% more rejections because analytics show 5% of rejectees result in a conversion!" As he proceeds to get a bonus for momentarily boosting revenue while permanently enshittifying the product.

...and still use AI not real humans to decide. Excellent business idea.
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