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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by tessierashpool »

pc_edwin wrote: post #107
londons_explore wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistical diagnoses models have offered similar possibilities in medicine for 50 years. Pretty much, the idea is that you can get a far more accurate diagnosis if you take into account the medical history of everyone else in your family, town, workplace, residence and put all of it into a big statistical model, on top of your symptoms and history. However, medical secrecy, processes and laws prevent such things, ev…

"londons_explore" - Ahh the classic British cynicism (Don't ban-ish me señor Dang, I'm British so I can say this). > Similar possibilities existed in medicine for 50 years It would've been like building the tower of babel with a bunch of raspbery pi zeros. While theoretically possible, practically impossible and not (just) because of laws, but rather because of structural limitations (vector dbs of the internet solve…

> I'm British so I can say this

can you, though? it's not scalably confirmable. what you can say in a British accent to another human person in the physical world is not necessarily what you can say in unaccented text on the internet.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by gurumeditations »

EMM_386 wrote: post #396
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

From playing around with ChatGPT and LLama2, this is most likely because it ingested that poem and regurgitated it to you based on the context of your conversation. GPT is smart and creative but it will only give you what it’s ingested. When experimenting with story ideas for a popular IP, it gave me specific names and scenarios which I would then Google to see that they were written already, and it was just restating them to me based on the context of our conversation as if it were an original idea. These things are more tools than thinkers.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by tessierashpool »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #26
birracerveza wrote: post #7

We should be fine as long as it doesn't move. Jokes aside, I have paused my subscription because even GPT4 seemed to become dumber at tasks to the point that I barely used it, but the constant influx of new features is tempting me to renew it just to check them out...

I read this all the time and yet no one can seem to come up with even a few questions from several months ago that ChatGPT has become “worse” at. You would think if this is happening it would be very easy to produce such evidence since chat history of all conversations is stored by default.

> I read this all the time and yet no one can seem to come up with even a few questions from several months ago that ChatGPT has become “worse” at

this could just mean that people do not have time to argue with strangers

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by sebzim4500 »

skepticATX wrote: post #422
sebzim4500 wrote: post #376

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>I asked several of the company’s top brass if someone could comfortably work there if they didn’t believe AGI was truly coming—and that its arrival would mark one of the greatest moments in human history—most executives didn’t think so. No shit? How many people worked on the apollo program and believed that (i) Getting to the moon is impossible or (ii) Landing on the moon is no big deal

It is notable considering that there are plenty of excellent researchers who don’t believe that AGI is imminent. OpenAI is also openly transhumanist based on comments from Sam, Ilya, and others. Again, many excellent researchers don’t hold transhumanist beliefs.

It is definitely not the case that all OpenAI employees are transhumanist.

It is probably the case that they all believe AGI is possible, because otherwise they would not work at a company whose stated goal is to build an AGI.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by ftxbro »

foobazgt wrote: post #465
ftxbro wrote: post #457

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> LLMs are not "AI" in the old sense of being conscious and aware. That's not the old sense of AI. The old sense of AI is like a tree search that plays chess or a rules engine that controls a factory.

Historically "AI" meant what "AGI" now means today. That's what they're referring to.

Fair enough if you're talking about Steven Spielberg films, but not if you mean anything in academia or industry.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by pixl97 »

ilaksh wrote: post #174
Closi wrote: post #150

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They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

Maybe there is a state somewhere between "total chaos and carnage" and "emails users when new features are enabled for their account". Such as "decided it wasn't an operational priority to email users when features were enabled for them".

And then the moment you got this email you'd post to HN and everyone else would be "OMG, why don't I have that option"

Incremental rollouts are hard.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by pixl97 »

wongarsu wrote: post #472
Closi wrote: post #150

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They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

But this issue far predates their current success. GPT2 was held back for a while. GPT3 launched as "waitlist only" with an application process, and so did GPT3.5. This is a large part of what held them back: GPT3.5 had most of the capabilities of the initial ChatGPT release, just with a different interface. Yet GPT3.5 failed to get any hype because the rollout was glacial. They made some claims that it was great, bu…

Turns out that getting enough compute power to meet demand for AI is hard.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by bungeonsBaggins »

EMM_386 wrote: post #396
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

For context, it looks like this user has deleted a comment where they claim they "have a screenshot" of this, but they "don't want to share it" because they "don't want it to make international news". For some reason the other people in this thread expressing skepticism are being downvoted, but I'll add my voice to the chorus: I do not believe this story to be true.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by MillionOClock »

wongarsu wrote: post #472
Closi wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.

But this issue far predates their current success. GPT2 was held back for a while. GPT3 launched as "waitlist only" with an application process, and so did GPT3.5. This is a large part of what held them back: GPT3.5 had most of the capabilities of the initial ChatGPT release, just with a different interface. Yet GPT3.5 failed to get any hype because the rollout was glacial. They made some claims that it was great, bu…

> GPT3.5 had most of the capabilities of the initial ChatGPT release, just with a different interface

I believe two other factors were the cost (especially of fine tuned models, IIRC fine tuned davinci cost $0.20 per thousand tokens) and also that OpenAI hadn't very clearly shown just how much higher the quality could get once RLHF'd. I remember asking davinci-instruct to parse some data, and the reliability really seemed much lower than ChatGPT at launch, to the point that, at the time, I thought GPT-4 was secretly powering ChatGPT.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by michaelt »

elicksaur wrote: post #362
sacred_numbers wrote: post #353

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GPT-4 is not the same product. I know it seems like it due to the way they position 3.5 and 4 on the same page, but they are really quite separate things. When I signed up for ChatGPT plus I didn't even bother using 3.5 because I knew it would be inferior. I still have only used it a handful of times. GPT-4 is just so much farther ahead that using 3.5 is just a waste of time.

Would you mind sharing some threads where you thought ChatGPT was useful? These discussions always feel like I’m living on a different planet with a different implementation of large language models than others who claim they’re great. The problems I run into seem to stem from the fundamental nature of this class of products.

The usefulness of ChatGPT is a bit situational, in my experience. But in the right situations it can be pretty powerful.

Take a look at https://chat.openai.com/share/41bdb053-facd-448b-b446-1ba1f1... for example.

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