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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by cpursley »

flohofwoe wrote: post #475
cpursley wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you break this down? I don't follow.

TL;DR: Russia has Iskander missiles stationed in their Kaliningrad exclave (former Koenigsberg if Kaliningrad doesn't ring a bell), Iskander missiles can carry nuclear warheads and have a range of 500 km which is just enough to reach Berlin. Now add two and two together. Why would Russia station nuclear capable missiles in the middle of Europe without the nuclear warheads nearby?

I'm very aware of Kaliningrad and it's history.

I don't understand your point. How does it relate to my analogy of a neighbor of America getting armed and trained by a sworn and bellicose enemy of America who states openly that it's goal is American regime change and geopolitical breakup. Under this scenario, I suspect the US would roll into Mexico and end that sooner than later under the Monroe Doctrine due to the real (or perceived) existential threat. At least, I would hope so - Mexico being in a military alliance with China (and it's 2000 or so mile border) would be not good.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by addaon »

generic92034 wrote: post #459
Aeolun wrote: post #455

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The small players have no clue how to get even a little bit of this.

What would you consider to be small players when it comes to chip production? I mean, the factories cost billions. So where would small companies play a role except as contractor, supplier, etc. for the big ones?

The small players are the equivalents of VIS (Vanguard International Semiconductor) and similar. A few million 8" wafers per year, but targeting specialty processes (GaN, MEMs, etc). Cutting-edge 12" fabs are capital-intensive, but there's a huge and growing role for older processes and specialty processes.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by addaon »

ryukoposting wrote: post #424

I think folks here are missing the point of a fab like this. 16nm FinFET is space age technology by embedded systems standards. Nobody's expecting CPUs as advanced as Sandy Bridge to come out of this fab, let alone some bazillion-core 8GHz monster. The smallest transistor used in an STM32xx chip today is 40nm, and AFAIK that's reserved for the really fancy DSP chips.

Besides older processes being "good enough" for embedded, many smaller micros depend on having a process that can handle embedded NOR flash. I'm not aware of any non-planar logic process that supports flash yet.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by cdash »

dukeyukey wrote: post #470
dragonelite wrote: post #438

Like with the Arizona fab question where will they find the skilled workers? Putting up four walls and a roof, with some chip fabbing equipment doesn't make an efficient fabrication location. When you have American TSMC worker complain about long shift hours i imaging it wouldn't be any better in Europe for TSMC. This feels more like TSMC grabbing from subsidies pots where it can hoping this will please the NATO nati…

The population of _all_ of Arizona is only 7.2 million. Just within 100km of Dresden you've got 5 million. Add in a much easier, faster immigration policy (esepcially from the rest of Europe) and a higher (although still not high) unemployment rate and they're probably gonna have an easier time of it than Arizone does.

Not sure how the state population is relevant, the vast majority of people living in Arizona live in the Phoenix metropolitan area which is where these new fabs are being built. The population size for that area is also around 5 million. Also, how is immigration between countries in Europe easier than immigration between states in the US. That is simply not possible when the US has no language/cultural barriers.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by coliveira »

pelorat wrote: post #469
coliveira wrote: post #427

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This is a logical assessment of the situation, it doesn't matter you don't like it.

Only logical if you accept the CCP as a legitimate government, which barely any politician in Europe, the USA and the rest of the west does (privately).

Not only CPC is a legitimate government, but it is effectively supported by the West. Do you mean that practically all governments of the world have agreements and deals with an illegitimate entity? They would be otherwise collectively gilt of making ilegal dealings.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by coliveira »

t43562 wrote: post #432
coliveira wrote: post #426

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Why do you think Taiwan reuniting with China would steal anything from the rest of the world? Nothing in Taiwan is owned by the rest of the world, Taiwan itself owns what they have. And the Chinese government will not stop selling what Taiwan produces.

Steal from Taiwan. And once you control a resource you can control access to it based on who pleases you the most.

So is the US stealing from Texas, Alaska, or Hawaii?

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by smoldesu »

cpursley wrote: post #474
djur wrote: post #379

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Depleted uranium is not a nuclear weapon.

Tell that to the non-combat victims: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7903104/#:~:tex... .

You can tell them whatever you want. It won't change the wording of the Geneva convention though.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

zambal wrote: post #490
flohofwoe wrote: post #482

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It's also all coming together: it's about Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), then it's about East Germany which a lot of West Germans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly), and finally it's also about the EU's / Germany's governing model which most startup-scene-hipsters on HN don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly). There's hardly a topic…

> Germany, which a lot of Europeans don't have a positive opinion on (to put it mildly) Do you have a source for that, because that's not the impression I, as a non German European, have.

I also had to Google to confirm my subjective perception, and it's actually not all that bad, typical case of "not great, not terrible":

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/the-european-u...

(PS: search for "Views of Germany positive except in Greece")

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

cpursley wrote: post #491
flohofwoe wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TL;DR: Russia has Iskander missiles stationed in their Kaliningrad exclave (former Koenigsberg if Kaliningrad doesn't ring a bell), Iskander missiles can carry nuclear warheads and have a range of 500 km which is just enough to reach Berlin. Now add two and two together. Why would Russia station nuclear capable missiles in the middle of Europe without the nuclear warheads nearby?

I'm very aware of Kaliningrad and it's history. I don't understand your point. How does it relate to my analogy of a neighbor of America getting armed and trained by a sworn and bellicose enemy of America who states openly that it's goal is American regime change and geopolitical breakup. Under this scenario, I suspect the US would roll into Mexico and end that sooner than later under the Monroe Doctrine due to the r…

Russia's stated goal (according to Dmitri Medvedev, former president and now "Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation") is also to "build a united Eurasia from Vladivostok to Lisbon", yet it is very unlikely that any European nation would preemptively invade Kaliningrad over those existential threats.

Also, Mexico entering a military alliance with China is extremely far fetched, how did you even arrive at that idea?

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