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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediverx »

cabalamat wrote: post #123
jsnell wrote: post #54

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Yes, they had it for a few years a decade ago. If you think through the feature, it's not at all obvious that it's a good idea for an established search engine targeting the general public [0]. But even then it might be a great idea for a search engine that's trying to establish an initial niche. It doesn't even matter whether the idea actually works well in practice: if 100k people think that manual curation of sear…

> that's trying to establish an initial niche Which suggests to me that while kagi might be good now, if it gets popular it may undergo enshittification in an effort to monetise its popularity.

That’s exactly my fear.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediverx »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #149
cabalamat wrote: post #123

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> that's trying to establish an initial niche Which suggests to me that while kagi might be good now, if it gets popular it may undergo enshittification in an effort to monetise its popularity.

A key point is that Kagi raised its prices already so it was sustainable. The reason most services get worse is because they are downright unprofitable and it is impossible to get them there without either making them drastically worse, or raising prices, which free sites can't do. Kagi has already put itself on a path where it doesn't have to make itself worse to cover its expenses, because it is already covering th…

No, the main reason why companies turn to shit is because they’re publicly traded and accept VC money so sooner or later, they’re beholden to shareholders demanding infinite growth and profits.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediverx »

yakubin wrote: post #233
rchaud wrote: post #193

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Cable TV didn't use to have ads, until somebody figured out you could charge the customer and have other streams of revenue as well. For Kagi, it's a matter of when, not if. Capitalism guarantees it.

An even sadder example of it: Windows.

I don’t think the term enshittification applies when a product is fully enshittified from its inception.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediverx »

Karunamon wrote: post #394
rchaud wrote: post #193

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Cable TV didn't use to have ads, until somebody figured out you could charge the customer and have other streams of revenue as well. For Kagi, it's a matter of when, not if. Capitalism guarantees it.

Capitalism is the only reason they exist in the first place. Don't confuse an entire economic system with the unique problems caused by public ownership or investing (i.e. growth at all costs). Plenty of smaller organizations would be quite happy to operate with modest profits for their owners and never scale beyond that point.

You’re conflating capitalism with commerce.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freediverx »

barrysteve wrote: post #457
freediver wrote: post #442

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> start throwing in "non-intrusive" ads to balance the books Here is a personal guarantee that this will never happen with Kagi while I am in charge. There are too many ad-supported search engines and browsers out there. I would not waste 10 years of my life to make yet another one. If Kagi can not sustain iteself with memberships, it will be the end of it. The initial reason I started Kagi was to provide my kids wit…

You have broken your privacy policy to share user block lists as advertising on HackerNews. Call us back in 6 months when you arbitrarily change something else and give us another motivating pep talk about your commitments. roll eyes .

How has this broken any privacy policy? To me this seems like general information that can’t possibly be traced back to any individual users or groups of users.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by deprecative »

karaterobot wrote: post #82

Pinterest was certainly the first site I blocked. I've never understood the hate for w3schools. No, it's not MDN, but it's not offensively bad either, and it's been a helpful reference from time to time. If w3schools comes up first in a search, I trust that it probably has the answer to whatever very simple question I must have asked, unlike something like Pinterest, which will just be spam no matter what.

W3schools intentionally placed themselves as a representation of the W3C (similar to what Fedex does with its name) and sold, still does I'm sure, certificates under that misconception. These were worthless. This is in addition to the other complaints.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by barnabee »

Aeolun wrote: post #474
barnabee wrote: post #386

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If you use your credit card with an exchange to buy Monero, then use that Monero (from a non-custodial/self operated wallet) to pay for Kagi search (or Mullvad or anything else) you’re not linking the ID tied to the credit card to your searches and other activity. That’s the point.

That just means there is one more step in the chain to try and identify me, not that it’s impossible.

It's a step that is, if not impossible, at least statistically infeasible…

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #286
MrVandemar wrote: post #13

The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. And specifically, American programmers and IT professionals.

Why American programmers? I don't see anything on that list indicative of that, and many of the top blocked sites are gTLDs.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

OJFord wrote: post #38
sockaddr wrote: post #20

Ok wow, seeing these lists might have just made a customer out of me. I’ve been vaguely aware of Kagi and know the general premise but this made it real.

Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I have gone over the limit (on the grandfathered 1500 search plan), and paid the extra $1-2 for it. It's fine.

The cost of search has made me think about what terms I use now and what I search for. Google made me lazy, I now use my phones world clock app rather that searching for "current time X", and word my searches more thoughtfully.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by slikrick »

nottorp wrote: post #378
ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #372

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Even if it were a process as invasive and painful as getting a bank account, it would remain the only technology that enables users to get a search account privately (since Kagi says cash is not scalable for them). Given the level of snark and off-topicness, I presume you don't actually expect me to answer the question with dozens of different methods. This is a company that claims over and over that they are privacy…

> Given the level of snark and off-topicness, I presume you don't actually expect me to answer the question with dozens of different methods. Dozens of different methods to ... buy crypto? You can keep them. I would trust something like Kagi more than any crypto exchange to keep my privacy. You are right that it may not be a good idea to have all your searches tied to your identity, but mixing crypto into that won't…

you have to trust not just kagi: the server hosts kagi uses, kagi security policies, all kagi employees, the country kagi operates in, and kagi as a business in perpetuity (not getting bought or drastically changing just to survive).

I can't trust that forever. So it's really just simple that they should have a way to dissociate accounts with searches and payments properly

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