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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The killer app is replacing my giant monitor with this device.

When I travel this is a game changer for me. Right now I lug a small second screen so I can work. I will happily drop $5k to fix this problem and just travel with this plus a small laptop.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#492

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Spurious enough comparison given there were phones , a developed phone market which was 150m+ globally even at that stage, and demonstrated clear use cases for an iphone (an ipod, a phone and an internet browser combined). Yep it iterated and yep app store really rocket charged it beyond where it was envisaged on day one. But it was also an existing market, albeit one that was at the foothills of its potential. AR/VR…

The potential is to replace computers. In its current version, it is basically an iPad on your face. Look a little forward and it is a laptop on your face. Imagine that the price came down to $1500-2000 in a couple years, now you can buy an Apple Vision instead of a laptop. And you wouldn't need to buy a TV either. So this does have device consolidation potential like the iPhone did and it can tap into an existing ma…

> Imagine that the price came down to $1500-2000 in a couple years, now you can buy an Apple Vision instead of a laptop. And you wouldn't need to buy a TV either.

I can compile code on my laptop - can I do that on a vision?

I can plug a xbox on my TV, or watch it with 4 people. Can I do that with a vision?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#493

> Namely, 5,000 patents filed over the past few years and an enormous base of talent and capital to work with. It was mentionned in the keynote as well...should Apple really brag about their patent minefield in a field that is in need of more players and more efforts to push it forward ? > In many cases it literally hurt to do so. Not with the Apple Vision Pro – text is super crisp and legible at all sizes and at far…

They advertise the "4K per eye" as some kind of an advantage. They need to do this to have 3D vision, but it doesn't improve the resolution, it's still just 4K. And the 4K is across your whole FOV, I would like to see a comparison with some standard monitors (4K at 27" and 32") at particular distances from your eyes. I suppose because they didn't publish anything it is still significantly worse than hi-res monitors (…

It's not 4K per eye. They say 23M pixels across two eyes, which is 11.5M for each eye. 4K is 8.2M. It's 40% more pixels than 4K, with the intent presumably being to be able to display a 4K-resolution display within a larger space.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#494

The fact that Tim Cook didn’t wear the display once during the demo is all I needed to create my opinion on the device. They also didn’t show any developers using the device - why? Probably because this is a glorified iPad and Apple continues to artificially lock down their Apple Silicon on some devices to not cannibalize the lower-tier MacBook offerings.

My guess is Tim Cook didn't wear one because Apple's media team didn't want every news article to use the screen grab as the header image (which is what happened with Zuc). They want the their manicured marketing material front and center.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Exactly! Even just a small Kojima game exclusive to the Vision Pro would've been interesting. Kojima is sufficiently famous and well liked to bootstrap a gaming ecosystem, though. They could've gone further and announced an Apple TV Pro, a decent controller, Vision non-Pro (cheaper headset that requires an M1 Mac or Apple TV Pro) and one full Kojima VR game as an exclusive. That could've been enough to start competin…

How many headsets did Valve sell with Half Life Alyx?

103,000

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#497

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If augmented reality can provide me with step-by-step guidance on diagnosing and fixing a car leak, replacing a diverter valve on a faucet, installing roof-customized solar panels, and various other DIY tasks, while also showing me the necessary tools, then I would be inclined to purchase this product. I'm growing weary of watching YouTube videos for car repairs and struggling to align the locations of bolts or parts…

You bring up some good points. Mainly that teaching you to work on your car, your house, or cook is highly specific to your particular environment. Maybe that's an example of the missing killer app for XR. OTOH these also sound like things a remote teacher could help you with if they could talk to you in an earpiece provided they could immerse themselves in your environment. So the remote teacher would be wearing the…

Indeed, I have personally tried CozyMeals, which appears to be the prominent online platform for remote cooking instruction that you mentioned. They provide virtual live cooking classes as well as private 1-on-1 sessions. According to a reviewer's feedback on the live cooking class, it is advisable to have all the ingredients prepped, measured, and ready before the class begins, as the instructor progresses swiftly through each preparation step. While it is possible to ask questions, the overall concept remains similar: you observe them, but they are not observing you, which falls short of the guided instructions I previously mentioned. Opting for their private 1-on-1 cooking class, which costs approximately $300, allows you to simply watch as they handle all the prep work and cooking.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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If it doesn’t blow me away, I won’t do it. But I think it will blow me away. Apple rarely disappoints on the experience by the time they launch something, in my experience anyhow.

If my company forced me to attend meetings in a glorified metaverse I'd probably resign.

It will need a virtual virtual avatar so you can disable the sensors and have options for how your avatar should be animated. Attentive, bored, marble statue...

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#499

This thing reminds me of the Segway. 1. Seems quite cool in the demo but dorky in the real world. 2. Solves a problem no one really has. 3. Costs 10x more than most people are willing to spend. 4. Actual use case: Mall cops and tourists. 5. Some rich fanboy will buy out the entire inventory, use it outdoors, and fall off a cliff.

So, #3, you're saying this should be $349? How would this, which has the hardware of two iPhones in it and stands in for a 100" screen and Dolby Atmos surround system, cost less than an iPhone Pro Max? It was obvious as soon as they listed the cameras involved, the M2 chip, and the micro-OLED screens (plural), this was going to cost 2x a single top of line iPhone plus headset, so $3000+.

GP didn't say how much it should cost, just how much most people are willing to spend. Right now this is just a portable, private screen (maybe a really nice one, but without any killer XR app, that's all it is) . There are few people who have a use for that to make it worth spending $3.5k on. If an app comes out that enables something people want to do, but you can't do with a laptop, then it may start to become worth it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

#500
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I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

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