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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by sampo »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #405
bob1029 wrote: post #352

All of this drama / culture war or whatever you want to call it is a big part of what turned me off to Rust in the first place. I come from .NET background and am open to the idea of a realistic C/C++ replacement. My experience with .NET and its "community" has left me with a really comfortable feeling with regard to my ability to do business, just "get shit done", etc. To be clear, there isn't really a community. I…

What's a LARP?

In this context, it's a figure of speech, meaning a game of pretending.

Literally, it means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by pitaj »

sidlls wrote: post #231
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #169

Is it just me, or is this a lot of melodrama for a language. I love arguing over technical details, this seems more like "house wives of rust".

The Rust community (in aggregate; I'd hope I wouldn't need to state the obvious that it doesn't apply to all individuals, but...Rust community) fosters this sort of melodrama. There is a core of extremely zealous "Rust wins all the things" types who don't stop at advocating for a language on its technical merits: they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is wha…

> they have to belittle and berate users of other languages because their choice (or not: employment is what it is) isn't "correct."

I keep hearing people claim this to be the case, but I've never seen this behavior as described in the wild - I only see the complaints about it.

Yes, Rustaceans will evangelize and whatnot but I don't see the belittling or berating.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by Klonoar »

rgbgraph wrote: post #398
waboremo wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure there's a real connection between the languages at least when it comes to "drama". Especially considering JavaScript is the most used language, or at least in the top 5 at this rate due to how low the entry barrier is for serious use. So purely from numbers, there's bound to be a bunch with a background in JavaScript, as with any other new language. You could have also said the same thing about Python for th…

Wow, no kidding: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/vxgzrl/changes_in_the... Mod response: > For all those wondering about removed comments, there was some trolling going on which was summarily removed by the mods. > Please avoid any trolling and/or drama seeking comments and remember our subreddit rules. "Trolling" on display in the archives of that thread: https://www.reveddit.com/v/rust/comments/vxgzrl/changes…

If (2) was a core piece, then having worked on enough open source projects I can assure you that informal code of conduct didn't do shit. ;P

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by galangalalgol »

seneca wrote: post #391
surgical_fire wrote: post #282

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> What is this world we're building? It's the same as the world that existed before. A hundred years ago I would be going to mass on Sunday just so people thought I was a good Christian. Now I nod my empty head in fake agreement to all the "progressive" nonsense being spewed in professional circles. Well, except here. This is essentially a throwaway account with no ties to my professional self. "Give the man a mask a…

You're basically correct. The frustration many of us have, largely people slightly older than the core HN crowd, is that for a brief moment in the 90s and early 2000s we didn't have any of this dogma that could demand you nod along. You could be openly gay, openly Christian, conservative, leftist, or apolitical. There were groups that still tried, but they were all too weak. The cultural conservativism of the 80s had…

We had a world built entirely of people who were technical for the love of it. Those who were fascinated with computers and the internet before there was real money in it as a career. When no one cared about computers and left us alone the community built by a largely neurodiverse group had rational rules that made people that would fall into the inneagram 8 category feel comfortable. Not just neurodiverse either, despite the stereotype of the neckbeard with pocket protector women were better represented in the 70s and 80s computing community than later on. We may have surpassed that mark now though, I haven't compared numbers recently.

Edit: I used the term neurodiverse and then implied we all fell into one category of personality. That seems to conflict, but what I meant was that we didn't differ much in the way that we differed. It was a gatekept community of a certain category of people where the gatekeeper was just interest in the subject absent any monetary motivation.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by jvanderbot »

mpalmer wrote: post #390
jvanderbot wrote: post #210

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What if there are people who need laws, rules, processes to keep something at bay because they are actually suffering from addiction to the very thing they need to regulate. If they believe that thing is wrong and they see how hard it is to resist, they of all people may jump on a bandwagon.

Except people who involve themselves in dev communities aren't babies, and this parental impulse of protecting people from ideas YOU think are bad is completely toxic and self defeating. Being afraid of disagreement is a cancer in our discourse.

I agree. I was suggesting something even worse: they have internal disagreement and guilt and are regulating others based on that. Any discourse makes them feel worse about it, so they regulate that too.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by slackfan »

A member of the rust committe (Uber for C) well known for their histryonics makes a hystrionic blogpost about another rust community member acting hystrionic. The comments divide into two camps among US political lines and spend the rest of the time debating woke culture. No tech is discussed.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by Ansoni-San »

bradleyjg wrote: post #206
indy wrote: post #88

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Much less weight should be given to someone "feeling uncomfortable" Rust the language is pretty good but the community around it has become really off-putting. The thick veneer of empathy and compassion quickly devolves into "idiot compassion" and emotional blackmail. Even the linked post contains the following: "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart…

I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart broke. I wept because of the cruelty. I wouldn’t want to work with someone that wrote this. I’m not sure which is worse—if it’s hyperbole or it isn’t.

Good to know you wouldn’t want to work with anyone autistic or on the spectrum.

Which is the case here.

The thing is that the people on here taking about “being adults” are the least tolerant or understanding that people experience things and express things differently.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by unusualmonkey »

bybybyby wrote: post #238
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #150

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I'm generally not a fan of the way people go about D&I, but the fact JeanHeyd has brought up the problem before makes it more pertinent. Whoever on the Rust team made the decision to reach out and downgrade JeanHeyd's talk seems extremely incompetent. Optics matter a lot here and a large portion of leadership roles is optics. It's careless to not take context into account, like the recent history of poor Rust-related…

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> You can be an effective leader with bad optics. See Elon musk.

I'd argue part of what made Musk's companies so successful was the optics - he was seen as a visionary, building the future - ergo customers and engineers alike wanted to associate with him.

Since the decline in his optics over the last few years, has he been an effective leader? Twitter does not seem to support that notion.

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