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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by coolspot »

dcow wrote: post #458

What I truly don’t understand is why everyone decided they needed their own streaming platforms. What’s the strategy there? Why does Disney need to invest resources into Disney+ when they can just sell the rights to their content to one or two Streaming platforms and make more money? Did they think it would be cheaper to build their own platforms? Same for all the others. Who cares if Netflix owns the streaming user-…

Well, if everyone uses Netflix and content owners don’t have their own platforms, then Netflix can twist their hands to get better deals on content, because they are the only game in town.

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Post by ModernMech »

acuozzo wrote: post #342
ModernMech wrote: post #308

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I genuinely don't understand this sentiment in 2023. Maybe in 2003 it was reasonable, but if you have the money, just spend it to buy the content you want. I get that there's a lot of "crap" that you don't want to see, but I appreciate some of that, and I'm sure you appreciate some of what I call "crap". I don't see how you go from that situation to justifying not paying for it. There's a price for the content and it…

> Can you offer a full throated defense of why you feel it's okay to pirate media in 2023 -- NOT OP -- In the general case, no, but consider the cases of: 1. "Altered media" e.g. (1) Star Wars, (2) THX 1138. 2. "Remixed media" e.g. (1) Terminator 2 not having its theatrical CDS mix, (2) Earthquake not having its SENSURROUND mix 3. "Omitted media" e.g. (1) Halloween not having its original mono soundtrack, (2) The Exo…

This is an argument for changing the law, not violating the law.

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Post by seydor »

foldr wrote: post #455
seydor wrote: post #449

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>but over the trailer of the documentary (i added the link) which literally says she was a black woman. Err, no, it doesn't literally say that. There is: 1) A man with light brown skin saying that he imagines Cleopatra as having the same skin tone as him and curly hair, which is entirely plausible (though far from certain) given what is known about her ancestry. 2) A woman saying that her grandma told her that Cleopa…

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by 542354234235 »

itsoktocry wrote: post #417
Alupis wrote: post #390

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None of which says "Make a million garbage shows and movies that nobody asked for and few actually enjoy - then raise monthly rates to bankroll these pet projects". Here's an idea - quality over quantity. Make fewer, but better shows and movies.

> Here's an idea - quality over quantity. Make fewer, but better shows and movies. What an insight. But how do you determine what's "high quality" and what isn't? You don't think Netflix is trying to measure that?

I thought about listing all the popular, critically acclaimed shows that Netflix has cancelled on a cliffhanger or without a “final season”, but that is a long list and there are plenty of BuzzFeed type articles about it. Not every show is going to be a hit, but Netflix consistently abandons great shows after 1-2 seasons because they aren’t Stranger Things level popular. So now they have a catalog of great shows no one wants to watch or recommend because why would you start a show that you know ends after 1 season on a cliffhanger? How many shows could have been tentpole shows, but people are hesitant to start them when they know how cancel happy Netflix is?

Netflix is shortsighted and myopically focused on tentpole shows that directly lead to “new subscribers” that join just to watch that show. All while ignoring having a strong catalog, since it is hard to measure how a cumulative collection of shows drives subscriptions.

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Post by jsejcksn »

kulahan wrote: post #473
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

They would have no way of knowing if your wife or you are using your wife's account, so of course it doesn't include that. Why would you need to clarify that? They don't have spyware turning on your camera for facial recognition lol

Image capture isn't the only fingerprinting technique: there are much simpler signals like patterns related to content navigation (just one example: tap vs swipe for advancing paginated content), and the combination of such signals can create a strong fingerprint

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Post by mitchdoogle »

SirMaster wrote: post #487
teruakohatu wrote: post #12

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

I think Netflix sees 3 people sharing 1 account and thinks that 2 of the 3 would maybe pay for accounts if they block sharing. But in reality they end up losing the 1 account instead because none of the 3 people are willing to pay full price individually. They were all willing to pay 1/3 of the price when sharing.

According to Netflix, there is an initial wave of cancellations, but over the ensuing months, they end up with more paying subscribers than there were before the password-sharing crackdown.

They've initialized this crackdown in a few different waves. I can't imagine they would continue to do it if it were detrimental to their bottom line.

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Post by [deleted] »

josephcsible wrote: post #400
geodel wrote: post #315

Perhaps Netflix is finally coming to conclusion that they can't keep increasing prices for honest users forever so as not to anger sharers and free riders.

If you're paying for a plan with 4 concurrent streams, how is it dishonest to share it with 3 other people?

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Post by waboremo »

pier25 wrote: post #483

Netflix really messed this up. They shouldn't have tried to tackle password sharing. Instead they should have enforced concurrent streams and let people pay for more concurrent streams. Psychologically it's very different and people paying for the premium plan of 4 streams would probably not be affected.

Exactly! But that's just how it goes. Once leadership identifies a problem, it takes a lot to dissuade them. They saw password sharing as a fixable problem, an area of loss revenue that they had to do something about to counter the metrics of stagnating subscriber growth. Very little would change that, even though your approach would prove to be quite beneficial

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Post by erehweb »

passion__desire wrote: post #463
SoftTalker wrote: post #438

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Re. (1), not even slightly interested in spending time watching/reading a story written by ChatGPT.

Here's a good first draft of the short story I generated. https://pastebin.com/pDaJXHuC

This is interesting, but mostly due to the prompt you gave.

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Post by mitchdoogle »

emrah wrote: post #404
Varqu wrote: post #65

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It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

> Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service I think you mean "the only game in town" because the selection was worse back then! Plus HBO and Hulu were around. I still remember Hulu commercials with Alec Baldwin. He hadn't shot anyone yet, that we know of. I also remember getting GOT dvds mailed from netflix because i didn't want to pay for HBO service.

Yes! People who claim things are worse now were either not around then, or they have bad memory.
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