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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

pivo wrote: post #105
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

The 8G on my wife's last Intel MacPro was definitely not enough for her light browsing and email reading, it just ground to a halt swapping browser memory. Admittedly she visited web sites with a lot of crap on them, but still.

The experience across different architectures with the same amount of memory is not identical. The M1 machines can swaps orders of magnitude faster.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by windowsrookie »

wkat4242 wrote: post #415
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Yeah my 2010 MacBook Pro 15 is also still working ok including the battery. Running Linux on it now though because Apple has given up supporting it many years ago :(

If you want MacOS on it opencore supports even the current version of MacOS on this machine. I have MacOS 11 running great on a 17” 2010 MacBook Pro for a friend. I will likely upgrade it to MacOS 12.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by amir734jj »

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Agreed. I loved my Coporate MacBook pro. It was durable and battery lasted long. But it costed about $3k and I can't afford it. Instead, I bought a System 76 ($1200) + Desktop PC I built myself ($600). I am not a gamer. I only do programming and you don't need a fancy hardware to run vim.

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Post by wtallis »

vinyl7 wrote: post #175
lostmsu wrote: post #171

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What even is the point of "top-tier" chipsets? Like why would one ever pay extra?

Generally higher end chipsets have more PCIe lanes, which is important if you want a GPU + NVMe drives to run at their full bandwidth

Nah, the chipset doesn't have much to do with that anymore. AMD's current desktop CPUs provide 16 PCIe lanes for the GPU and 8 lanes for a pair of NVMe drives; the PCIe lanes provided by the chipset are in addition to those (routed through another 4 lanes from the CPU). Intel's current desktop platform provides 16+4 direct from the CPU, and routes 8 lanes to the chipset.

The high-end chipsets are for people who think they still need lots of SATA ports, or lots of high-speed USB ports. Or for people who want features that are artificially restricted to only be available on boards using the high-end chipsets.

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Post by retrac98 »

I recently bought a mid-spec Macbook Pro for £3100 to replace the mid-spec 15" Macbook Pro I bought in 2017 for £2200, which replaced the mid-spec one I bought in 2013 for £1900.

Salaries in many jobs in the UK have barely increased in the past 15 years, and of those that have, many have not kept up with inflation. It's not the whole picture, but the UK (and it seems Europe generally) is increasingly poor by comparison to the US, and US products too have become increasingly unaffordable for many.

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Post by dougmwne »

theshrike79 wrote: post #428

In my case the M1 is more powerful than I need it to be. There's no reason for me to upgrade to M2 or M3 until this generation is too slow for my day to day use. The only thing that would make me upgrade is Apple sponsoring a Proton port to M-series CPUs/Metal. I could play thousands of "Windows only" games on my Mac without hassle. Until then, I'm sticking with a M1.

A proton port would be amazing. I look at the incredible M chips but have no workload for them without games. I suppose I could run some ML models locally, but that’s hardly a requirement.

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Post by hamandcheese »

jwommack wrote: post #323

The M chips make for real bad developer experience when trying to support interoperability. Lots of docker images and other virtualized software just can’t be emulated like it used to on them. We’re how many years in on this issue? When most of your customers won’t be on a high priced Mac that’s a real issue and it forces businesses off the platform.

I can run x86_64 docker images just fine, fine enough to reproduce errors I see in prod at least.

I'm using Colima along with Rosetta for Linux.

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Post by atq2119 »

ajross wrote: post #317
LoveMortuus wrote: post #310

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Technically correct, but I doubt salaries followed the inflation, so for most of people, it's just more expensive. :/

Salary growth leads inflation in virtually all cases, and in this one too. (Realized I can still edit: reply after reply is trying to interpret this as a statement about causality, which it emphatically is not. I'm just saying that ordering is complicated in feedback systems, and that the needed salary growth to compensate for existing inflation largely already happened. This is doubly or triply true for the tech sal…

The particular current case of inflation really took off with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Talking about salary growth as a cause is way off the mark.

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Post by kristjansson »

evandale wrote: post #477
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

My anecdote is the complete opposite experience. I bought a new 2012 MBA in June and the hard drive started failing on me in August of 2013. It was just out of the warranty so Apple did me a "favour" and let me buy a 3-year Apple care so the repair would be free. They made the Apple care start on the day I bought the MBA back in June, which was something that I got screwed on later on. Then they recalled the 2012 MBA…

So, as a negative example, you provide ... a laptop you paid $1500 + $200 + $250 for, and got 7+ years of use?

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Post by dtheodor »

oblio wrote: post #291
rayiner wrote: post #249

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No European country (UK excepted) has an “immigrant culture.” In recent decades, some European countries have accepted large numbers of immigrants. But as far as I can tell, they’ve even relegated to an economically disadvantaged underclass in every one of those countries. They’re not buying Apple products. For example, average income for Turks in Germany (a group that started immigrating in the 1970s) is estimated t…

Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups? What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans? The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

He is not cherry picking, he picked the largest immigrant group, twice as large as the next one
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