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It does! It'd be even simpler and more consistent if they dropped snaps and only used debs!
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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.
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I haven't had trouble with drivers using Fedora in years. RPM fusion handles Nvidia drivers just fine. It's a far cleaner and "noob friendly" distro in my opinion, so long as you're able to google "how to install nvidia drivers fedora"
This is mostly just a Debian problem, due to their "no non-free software" philosophy, which extends to device drivers. I have never in my days booted a Debian install that worked with wifi out of the box, and I suspect I never will, due to that philosophy.. For that reason, I've stopped trying and I default to Ubuntu (-based) distros instead. All it takes to get rid of snaps forever is `sudo apt purge snapd`.
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The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro. And application developers have to essentially wait for each distro to repackage their app before it becomes available on that distro. Or start messing with alternate repositories for each distro they want to support. The old model works for established software, but breaks down a l…
> The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro. But isn't that the primary job of a distro?
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You're shifting more work onto distros and users that shouldn't be work in the first place, and basically preventing non-linux literate people from using their OS. If I install software on MacOS or Windows, I don't have to care if it was packaged for an older version etc, or that my distro may not package a dependency.
> shouldn't be work in the first place. It seems very much intentional. You could just keep multiple different, vulnerable versions around and keep everything working. Instead distros say "Nope. We support exactly one version. Update or die." That is also why you have runtimes, grafting, support sunset,... . I agree that a different trade off makes much more sense for desktops. For servers though...
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Would you be interested in a session for me to better understand (and hopefully eventually fix) why Nix was not comfortable? Not looking to evangelize, but to learn about the experience from your perspective.
Hey. Yeah, I'd be happy to, time allowing. I really enjoyed the results of NixOS with flakes but a couple of things were a little more challenging than I have time for to switch it into my daily driver. It was that steep curve that stopped me going back to date; I liked everything about it, the community was very welcoming and helpful, the declarative nature, and ability to define my machines' states in Git, the docu…
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This is mostly just a Debian problem, due to their "no non-free software" philosophy, which extends to device drivers. I have never in my days booted a Debian install that worked with wifi out of the box, and I suspect I never will, due to that philosophy.. For that reason, I've stopped trying and I default to Ubuntu (-based) distros instead. All it takes to get rid of snaps forever is `sudo apt purge snapd`.
> All it takes to get rid of snaps forever is `sudo apt purge snapd`. That's not enough. Some package could eventually drag it back in. $ apt show firefox Package: firefox ... Pre-Depends: debconf, snapd If you really want to keep it off your system for good, you need something like this: $ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-snapd Package: snapd Pin: release a=* Pin-Priority: -1 $
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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
I have meager needs so I haven't run into (m)any of the issues here, but what's a deb based alternative that isn't meant for absolute stability at the expense of anything modern? (I ask with actual curiosity; I'm ignorant to most distros.)
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*sigh Another firefox blunder to add to their growing list.
If someone (Ubuntu) wants to package and distribute free software (Firefox) in their own format (Snap), the upstream maintainers (Mozilla) shouldn't hinder it no matter how bad the format is - it's not their job.
Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…
> it is a devil that's hurting the Linux desktop everyday Don't you just remove it if you're using Ubuntu, never install it if you use Debian/Fedora/Arch, and pretend it doesn't exist? I've never run into an app I want that is only packaged for Snap.