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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by hinkley »

acdha wrote: post #489
hinkley wrote: post #488

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Oh wow, so they're still chipping away at it. I wonder if they'll roll it out on the iphone first or start with ipads and possibly the apple watch if they can get the power draw lower. That might be a good way to increase the battery life of those devices, lowering the gap between regular and low power mode.

Yeah, I'd be really curious to know where the hangups are. My understanding of that field – in which I have no direct experience — is that there are a lot of hard edge cases to deal with and it would make a ton of sense to roll that out on a small scale first. I wonder what the tradeoffs are for something like the Apple Watch – the device is simpler in the sense that it does less than a phone but the battery constrai…

One of Apple's goals with building their own chips is getting a lower TPD for devices. I can't imagine they'd field a cellular chip that drew more power than Qualcomm's. It's always possible though.

If that turns out to be the case, the iPad has the largest battery and can absorb more of a regression than any of their other devices. But there's enough of those sold to get some progress toward a tighter solution

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by hinkley »

rodgerd wrote: post #350
hinkley wrote: post #314

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Apple tried and failed to make a chipset to replace Qualcomm didn't they? I'd love to see them try again. And I feel like that's an area where their particular culture (of looking at vendors that make them resentful and trying to do something about it) might even put them in a place where they're willing to sell those chips or designs to other carriers because fuck Qualcomm.

> Apple tried and failed to make a chipset to replace Qualcomm didn't they? I can't remember whether it was sourcing Intel modems or rolling their own, but yeah, either way they fell foul of Qualcomm's nest of patents: Qualcomm's real competitive edge is that they are experts at lobbying to have their patented tech built into government and NGO standards. You don't need to make decent chips or support them for more t…

Did they end up buying Intel's wireless division off of them? I believe they already had their own, but buying it for the patents (and transferable patent licenses) would be valuable to them.

If someone won't give you favorable patent terms but you can buy a company that got better ones...

edit: yes, they did (modem division):

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/07/apple-to-acquire-the-...

One potential avenue here is if Apple, with a cellular modem of their own, just includes the modem in all of their devices and cut out a bunch of SKUs.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by Tagbert »

basch wrote: post #344
acdha wrote: post #149

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You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

Id rather the web have less javascript than my phone be faster.

I find it is usually not so much about the JavaScript on a particular site for basic functions of that site but all of the other scripts and resources loaded by ads and promos. So many pop up videos stalking you as you try to browse the site.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by doetoe »

robert_dipaolo wrote: post #294
byee wrote: post #211

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I still use an iPhone X (with new battery from last year). The Pixel 2 was released around the same time and is e-waste. Almost all apps run well with the exception of Google's, which have consistently gotten worse. The camera still starts up quickly, and the fact that most apps are still performant compared to an iPhone 13 is impressive. Google Docs is unusable - even small documents can't be opened, and the app han…

The Pixel 2 had a launch price of $649 vs the iPhoneX at $999, so ~35% more. That's not really a fair comparison, I imagine if you compare to a similarly priced android phone released at the same time, it'd be a closer result. Where apple does do well is supporting devices for much longer with software and security updates. So running older android phones is prob not a good ideas from a security perspective.

That is actually 55% more (or three other way around, 35% less)

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by dileepkr »

mrtksn wrote: post #483
dileepkr wrote: post #482

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Ah I see, I don't have an airtag. must be my neighbour's. In any case, I don't want to pay the penalty for maintaining the network for someone else's airtag :(

You can turn this feature off in the Settings under the Find My settings.

Nope, I turned it off in the setting in multiple places, still the battery usage shows "find my" usage

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by doetoe »

satvikpendem wrote: post #118
epolanski wrote: post #103

I can't understand who are the people that care about smartphone performance. I do every computation and gaming outside my phone. My Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 from 3 years ago feels as good as when I bought it when reading the net, watching youtube, chatting, emailing or editing pictures. And my Redmi scores 300 in the same Benchmark, where the S22 scores 900, the S23 1500 and the iPhone 14 Pro 1900. Maybe JS performance c…

Lots of people (especially in the third world) use their phone as their primary computer and gaming device.

Also the ones that can afford a $1000 phone? I thought that was the case for people that cannot afford a computer

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by acdha »

hinkley wrote: post #491
acdha wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'd be really curious to know where the hangups are. My understanding of that field – in which I have no direct experience — is that there are a lot of hard edge cases to deal with and it would make a ton of sense to roll that out on a small scale first. I wonder what the tradeoffs are for something like the Apple Watch – the device is simpler in the sense that it does less than a phone but the battery constrai…

One of Apple's goals with building their own chips is getting a lower TPD for devices. I can't imagine they'd field a cellular chip that drew more power than Qualcomm's. It's always possible though. If that turns out to be the case, the iPad has the largest battery and can absorb more of a regression than any of their other devices. But there's enough of those sold to get some progress toward a tighter solution

I’m sure you’re right on the goals. What we can only speculate about are their thresholds for shipping v1: it wouldn’t surprise me if, for example, they would opt for a design which used less power but wasn’t as fast for the watch where bandwidth is less critical. As a buyer, I’d be more than willing to take a hit on peak performance if the design used less power or more gracefully handled poor coverage.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by satvikpendem »

doetoe wrote: post #497
satvikpendem wrote: post #118

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Lots of people (especially in the third world) use their phone as their primary computer and gaming device.

Also the ones that can afford a $1000 phone? I thought that was the case for people that cannot afford a computer

Lots of phones go down in price or they're specifically geared for that market by having a beefy CPU and GPU but bottom-tier everything else.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by 762236 »

nomel wrote: post #327
762236 wrote: post #265

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Hopefully with USB-3 speeds. Last I understood, the iPhone still transfers data at USB-2 speeds. This is crazy when you want to transfer large videos, or backup.

With a Wifi 6, and airdrop, does this really matter anymore?

Dealing with a GoPro in the field, it helps.
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