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John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by LoveMortuus »

Tycho wrote: post #473
thefaux wrote: post #459

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I have read that North American indigenous people were known for having great teeth. Here is one random citation I found searching for indigenous teeth: https://drscottgraves.com/the-secrets-to-healthy-teeth-from-...

I heard that animals usually have teeth in excellent condition, and the suggested explanation was that eating soft, processed, cooked foods is not what our teeth evolved to do, and so ours fall into disrepair.

I'd say the big difference is the sugar. If I brush my teeth and then eat only meat for a whole week, my teeth are still incredibly smooth - giving the feeling of having clean teeth. On the other hand, if I eat a piece of chocolate or just one toffifee, in a couple of hours my teeth get very fuzzy - the tongue no longer glides across them smoothly.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by LoveMortuus »

pegasus wrote: post #383
p1esk wrote: post #368

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living conditions of hunter-gatherers were way, way better than living conditions of the first people in cities Why do you think so?

Historians agree (based for example on studying human remains) that they were much healthier, amongst other things. Check out the book "Against the Grain" for example.

Healthier compared to a person of equal age?

My assumption is that since we're living longer then ever we're probably living healthier then ever. (Or at least there's an option to do so).

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

dharma1 wrote: post #76
exitb wrote: post #43

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What struck me here is that the idea of "five Franks and ten Amys" seems like a fundamentally wrong way to think about it. After all, if I do some work in an Excel sheet, I don't think of it, much less pay for it, as an equivalent of X accountants that could do the same job in the same amount of time without a computer. But then again, this is probably the best way to extract as much profit out of it.

Yeah sounded weird to me too, I don’t see why artificial intelligence would get deployed in human size units most of the time. The AWS bill won’t be for 5 Amys, and I don’t think people will “dial up” to order them

As long as AI interacts with humans, having it interact in human size chunks seems like a good idea.

In the backend, where AI interacts with AI, perhaps you just want one big blog to get rid of that annoying need for lossy communications.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

mogacom wrote: post #244

Carmack is clearly a brilliant guy, but it feels like he's fallen into the trap of overfitting on his previous successes and believing they generalise into other domains. No doubt his experience and innovations in computer graphics gives him a good insight into problems in vision, etc. but I don't see anything particularly original or orthogonal in what he's saying with regards to "general AI".

I wouldn't underestimate him. He's failed with this rocket startup so it's not like it has only been successes.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

ggm wrote: post #60

I don't object to him doing this nor the immense amounts of investor money which will burn along the path. He's smart. Good things will come of this. Maybe even amazing things. But not AGI. I do object to fetishists of AGI piling in and the equally silly assumptions he has some magic secret sauce which can get there. Please do not be sucked into "to infinity and beyond" nonsense. I don't care if it's Musk, or Carmack…

> Good things will come of this. … But not AGI.

What are the showstoppers in your opinion?

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

modeless wrote: post #338
jasmer wrote: post #115

"So I asked Ilya Sutskever, OpenAI’s chief scientist, for a reading list. He gave me a list of like 40 research papers and said, ‘If you really learn all of these, you’ll know 90% of what matters today.’ And I did. I plowed through all those things and it all started sorting out in my head." Wow, that's going to be one of the more glib things I've read in a while. This is a bit of a Tom Cruise moment. I mean, I get i…

Have you read these papers? It's absolutely feasible to get the gist of modern AI in a week of 16 hour days, as Carmack likes to do, for someone who is already world class at CS and has a mastery of college level math. Modern AI is very simple at its core! As Carmack mentions in the article, cutting edge models are implemented in a couple thousand lines of code, and the core algorithms are even less. Rust's borrow ch…

I'm pretty sure it took at least a couple of months to fundamentally understand 40 papers.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

moffkalast wrote: post #276
freediver wrote: post #272

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Do something so extraordinary that the entire world will remember you.

The prerequisites of course being in the right place at the right time, with the right people and a little luck on your side as well. So many people are remembered just because there were first at something by like a week, and the dozen others who also thought of it elsewhere but were a bit late or didn't publicize as well are forgotten forever.

In his case it is also having the right ideas and taking the initiative. But being in a good environment is a huge factor for sure.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Tepix »

Barrin92 wrote: post #47
dr_dshiv wrote: post #3

What would be the difference between GPT3 and actual AGI? (Want to make sure we don’t keep moving goalposts)

All the stuff a human can do basically. Move through the world, plumb a toilet, have a conversation, paint a picture, dynamically update its own state (rather than just being a statically trained set of weights), set goals, strategize, have cognition and meta-cognition and so on. ChatGPT is just a chatbot and still can't even reliable do a lot of logic, so we're pretty far away from having something resembling an AGI…

The stuff that is tied to the body isn't important. Case in point: Stephen Hawkings.

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Post by roguas »

moffkalast wrote: post #276
freediver wrote: post #272

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Do something so extraordinary that the entire world will remember you.

The prerequisites of course being in the right place at the right time, with the right people and a little luck on your side as well. So many people are remembered just because there were first at something by like a week, and the dozen others who also thought of it elsewhere but were a bit late or didn't publicize as well are forgotten forever.

Very rarely being first counts imo. If you are building something novel in parallel there is a good chance you will have enough of difference.

Examples: other search engines, social networks, 3d games still exist. For many folks a different graphic on your homepage can be differentiator enough. (If you ever wonder why A/B, SEO, copywriting, design/ux is important)

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