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1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by sn9 »

FatActor wrote: post #461
sn9 wrote: post #446

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I have no idea what you're trying to say. It is an objective fact that caloric surpluses and deficits are fundamental to manipulating bodyweight. Any solution will be about getting people to maintain a surplus or deficit long enough to reach their goal weight. There are many ways to communicate that to people, but pretending or trying to convince others that it isn't true is factually incorrect and literally counter-…

You keep saying less is less more is more. That's a truism which is completely orthogonal to the point, yet you seem to be hung up on it to the exclusion of everything else every other commenter has said to you. Consider that just for a moment.

It's because people are talking about all sorts of irrelevant stuff that has no effect on what one has to do to manipulate their weight.

It's missing the forest for the chlorophyll.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by sn9 »

elenaferrantes wrote: post #482
sn9 wrote: post #426

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It just has to average out in the long term. No one eats the exact same thing everyday. And you can eat less or more throughout the year. You've never had a holiday feast?

That’s my point. Regarding people that maintain the same weight, I highly doubt they eat on average the _exact_ amount needed. There must be physiological adjustments that are broken in some people.

That's not necessary at all.

People who maintain the same weight simply eat their maintenance calories on average over the long term.

That's just how averages work.

I feel like you have some kinda fundamental misunderstanding of something to not understand this, but I don't know what it could be.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by sn9 »

mister_mister wrote: post #467
sn9 wrote: post #447

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I have a literal degree in biology and have been reading about physiology, health and fitness, and related topics for well over a decade. You have no idea what you're talking about. This is textbook level stuff and you clearly haven't read a single one. Your wiki level understanding is missing the forest for the chlorophyll.

Would it be possible to at least look at the sources and argue against them? A appeal to authority, and an Ad hominem won't help the discussion along.

Would you bother reading the textbooks worth of information I've consumed first?

You aren't entitled to another person's time and effort when you've decided your googling is in any way comparable to literal years of study in environments where you actually get feedback on your understanding.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by FatActor »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #473
FatActor wrote: post #461

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You keep saying less is less more is more. That's a truism which is completely orthogonal to the point, yet you seem to be hung up on it to the exclusion of everything else every other commenter has said to you. Consider that just for a moment.

No its not. CICO, it's that simple. I'll get down voted by the fanatics that say it's more complicated, but it's not. Eat less and exercise more and you will loose weight. A gastric bypass is just a extreme form of this. You cannot avoid the laws of physics.

There's a reason your being down-voted, and its not a hive mind, or a conspiracy, or a personal grudge against you. That's simply what it is like to be "wrong". Saying what you said is just playing the victim card.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by petesergeant »

oezi wrote: post #489
petesergeant wrote: post #480

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Do you have the source for this? I tried ChatGPT: >> Someone on the internet wrote "humans cannot consume more calories than 2.5x their basal metabolic rate" -- which study might they be quoting? > I am not aware of a specific study that states that humans cannot consume more calories than 2.5x their basal metabolic rate. Basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the amount of energy a person needs to maintain basic bodily funct…

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw0341 "Incorporating data from overfeeding studies, we find evidence for an alimentary energy supply limit in humans of ~2.5× BMR" A good book the topic is Herman Ponzer's "Burn" The main issue seems the surface area of the GI tract.

Fascinating, thank you. Apparently this means the most I can gain over Xmas week is 2.45kg, which is reassuring.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by mister_mister »

sn9 wrote: post #493
mister_mister wrote: post #467

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Would it be possible to at least look at the sources and argue against them? A appeal to authority, and an Ad hominem won't help the discussion along.

Would you bother reading the textbooks worth of information I've consumed first? You aren't entitled to another person's time and effort when you've decided your googling is in any way comparable to literal years of study in environments where you actually get feedback on your understanding.

> "This idea of 'a calorie in and a calorie out' when it comes to weight loss is not only antiquated, it's just wrong,"[0]

Would it be possible to share sources of the claims that you're making? Instead of demanding them and not reading them when they are presented.

There is no reason for those Ad hominem attacks. We can have civil disagreement.

[0]https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting...

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by wooger »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #230
tonystubblebine wrote: post #192

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I actually think there's a bit of a split at the elite level. Eliud Kipchoge, WR in marathon, seems to only be doing one hard faster than race pace workout each week. Call that the HIT. The others are slow or race pace. What actually stands out most to me is the specificity of running close to a race pace marathon every week. https://www.sweatelite.co/eliud-kipchoge-a-typical-week-of-t... Then on the other end of the…

The vast majority of that WR in marathon is doing low intensity long runs every day with only one day dedicated to race pace. That still broadly strikes me as primarily low-intensity training.

Well, it's polarised training specifically. Either really low, or very intense.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by wooger »

jmmcd wrote: post #150
hutzlibu wrote: post #139

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"training achieves the same effects as much longer endurance training at much shorter times. " Like other commentors have said, certainly not the same effects, only maybe for the effects tested. High intensity training for example has a much higher risk of injury.

I think it depends - running miles and miles at low intensity will damage my middle-aged knees more than HIT.

A common misconception, running isn't bad for your knees, poor form is bad for your knees.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by wooger »

joyeuse6701 wrote: post #306
edanm wrote: post #297

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> I’ve never believed this — only because my weight is so consistent and my eating is not. That's only one side of the equation. It is a basically proven fact (and largely implied by physics) that `calorie intake - expenditure = net weight change`. That is pretty much beyond dispute. It is also true that some things affect expenditure, and it seems likely that most people have a "set point" that your body attempts to…

How easily one can lose weight seems to be more than calories in and calories out. Women with PCOS struggle mightily with weight. Having said that, I'm sure if you put a person in a box for 21 days without food you will observe a net weight change, but I'm sure the speed at which weightloss occurs or is observed will include other factors beyond calories in and out.

There's a psychological component to sticking to a diet for sure, but no, a calorie deficit of the same amount will result in the same weight loss rate.

People locked in a box will not be able to cheat and will demonstrate this.

Re: 1min high-intensity exercise 3x a week improves fitness as much as 3x aerobics (2016)

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Post by wooger »

staplung wrote: post #317
dr_dshiv wrote: post #285

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> without making your calorie intake less than your expenditure you will not loose weight. I’ve never believed this — only because my weight is so consistent and my eating is not. My body must have a way to regulate the absorption of calories from the gut. When I have some insanely high calorie meal, my body doesn’t necessarily absorb all the calories. This seems easy to measure, so I must be wrong. Or…

The NYTimes just ran an article about nutrition myths. One of them was about calories in - calories out. “ Ultraprocessed foods — such as refined starchy snacks, cereals, crackers, energy bars, baked goods, sodas and sweets — can be particularly harmful for weight gain, as they are rapidly digested and flood the bloodstream with glucose, fructose and amino acids, which are converted to fat by the liver.”

I guarantee the skinny long distance runners and pro cyclists you see all pound far more ultra processed pure sugar than anyone fat you know. It's literally the only way to take in calories fast enough to keep exercising at an intense level for hours.

Regardless of diet you will lose weight if you eat fewer calories than your body is burning. It will be harder if you eat junk food, but quite possible.

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