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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by red-iron-pine »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #409
jackson1442 wrote: post #335

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a masters in math doesn't necessarily mean you're good at teaching it, see anyone with a computer science degree.

But it usually means you had to actually attempt teaching math and have some experience in practice. That's part of what a Master's degree is supposed to mean, unless that, too, has diminished.

I have a Masters and have never had to teach anyone anything. I wasn't aware that it was a requirement.

PhDs -- yes. They're expected to teach or TA.

Most of my mentoring and tutoring experience came from new hires at work.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by nobody9999 »

mfer wrote: post #401
nobody9999 wrote: post #387

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>Their vision is to get people civically engaged around certain forms of change. >The specific forms of change are not agreed to as a culture in the US. This is an area where we don't have good in depth thoughtful conversations, either. That's not what you initially said, nor do I understand how "civic engagement" is ever a bad thing. In fact, we need lots more of it. You are applying ("The specific forms of change a…

To try and be more clear, I'm not attempting to give my own opinion on what should happen with regard to these topics. I'm attempting to highlight the disconnect. To get closer to a root of what's happening. This is from direct conversations with people across the political spectrum and from reading about it. > Discouraging civic engagement for any reason is bad, IMHO. When we deal with things there are priorities. W…

>To try and be more clear, I'm not attempting to give my own opinion on what should happen with regard to these topics. I'm attempting to highlight the disconnect. To get closer to a root of what's happening. This is from direct conversations with people across the political spectrum and from reading about it.

Not bad. Still a bunch of mealy-mouthed bullshit, but a little better.

Keep working on it. Perhaps you might one day convince someone you're actually a reasonable human being. I won't hold my breath.

Health and good fortune to you.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by villasns »

danaris wrote: post #488
villasns wrote: post #487

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The problem with some of these books is that they normalise horrendous practices, e.g. extreme sex acts like anal fisting, or extreme body modifications like young girls having their breasts amputated because they have a false belief that they are boys. The books that just talk about standard sex education and give an overview of sexuality aren't a problem. It's these other ones that attempt to push the boundaries to…

So you think being trans is fake and comparable with anal fisting. Cool cool. That means you are precisely one of the people I described, trying to ban books about the existence of gay, trans, and other queer people. I guarantee you there aren't more than 1 or 2 parents or teachers in the entire country (possibly not even that many, but there's always some nutcase somewhere) who genuinely think that having books on a…

Unlike books on sexuality, many of these pro-trans books normalise irreversible bodily modifications and present this as if it's a positive thing.

If mature adults want to take wrong-sex hormones, get bits chopped off and turned inside out, and so on, after a long period of consultation and contemplation, then that's acceptable, if that's what they truly need.

But showing this stuff to kids, as if it's a normal option? No way. This is child abuse.

It's also completely unlike being gay, lesbian or bisexual, where no bodily changes whatsoever are encouraged or needed. Also there's no identifying as something you're not, into groups where you don't belong, i.e. so many males thinking it's their right to barge into as many female-only spaces as possible. Really the T is nothing like the LGB at all, it's just that activists use the latter as a shield against criticism of the absurd and abusive demands they're making.

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Post by feoren »

spoils19 wrote: post #466
feoren wrote: post #380

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> there was a crusade against Christian prayer Bullshit. There was a backlash against forced Christian prayer, as there should be. > teachers here-and-they’re wanting to assert their belief system in the classroom Bullshit. Making a wide variety of books available to interested students is literally the opposite of asserting a specific belief system. > activist parents Bullshit. This is very clearly neo-fascist alt-r…

> Bullshit. There was a backlash against forced Christian prayer, as there should be. Need I remind you that the US is one nation _under God_? > Bullshit. Making a wide variety of books available to interested students is literally the opposite of asserting a specific belief system. It'll be quite "convenient" if certain books had more space on the shelves than others. > Green username, bad-faith argument filled with…

> Need I remind you that the US is one nation _under God_?

I refused to recite that fascist bullshit in school, and "under God" was added by Dwight Eisenhower in 1954. I disagree that the US is "under God". What's your point? You're going to come to my house and wreck the place if I don't kneel for your God? What are you even talking about?

> It'll be quite "convenient" if certain books had more space on the shelves than others.

What are you talking about? Say what you mean. Otherwise it'll be quite "convenient" if your grandmother turns out to be a bicycle.

> Please make sure you're following the HackerNews commenting guidelines. :>

"Assume good faith" stops when strong evidence presented that the argument is in bad faith. I stated what that evidence was.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by dang »

renlo wrote: post #31
mabbo wrote: post #3

Hey America, is everything okay down there? Y'all have some truly dystopian stuff going on there. Felony prosecution for showing kids books that the Governor didn't approve of? Yikes.

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Yikes! Please don't break the site guidelines like this. We ban accounts that post this way, or this way:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34490527

or this way:

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I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good things and this doesn't seem to be a repeated habit, but if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and recalibrate, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by cudgy »

Maursault wrote: post #272
toomuchtodo wrote: post #21

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It also drives families with kids out of Florida to more sane educational operating environments. Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/22/our-child...

> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

Well Desantis raised teacher salaries in 2020 significantly:

https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his...

And is about to raise them more but with some possible union restrictions attached:

https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay...

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Post by gaganyaan »

mikrotikker wrote: post #419
mfer wrote: post #115

Context as to what's happening in US schools... This highlights part of the growing movement and disagreement around culture shaping through kids. To highlight this, if you take a look at school of educations mission statement[1] > Through commitment to innovation, social justice, excellence in teaching and research, and partnerships, the School of Teacher Education will position itself as a national leader in shapin…

That book Gender Queer is terrible though. A seriously mentally ill person who suffered horrible abuse from her parents should not be writing such vile content with such pornographic imagery for children. How it ever got approved as a children's book is beyond me. It is however a great tool for parents to see how utterly disturbed the books the schools are giving their kids are, and if they're smart pull them into ho…

I just read it. Wtf are you on about? There's nothing vile in there, it's a frank memoir of growing up. You and Florida both need to chill the fuck out with this witch hunt.

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Post by yencabulator »

netsharc wrote: post #282
hezag wrote: post #50

> If the book is available in the district libraries, that means it was approved by a media specialist and can be made available to students again. But any book not currently held in the district libraries must be individually evaluated and approved by a librarian. So... It's an allowlist and not a denylist. Even worse.

I remember reading a description of denylists (everything is allowed except for...) as "American style" and allowlists (only these things are allowed) as "Soviet style".

That's pretty fitting, considering how much of the Russian playbook US republicans are using...

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Post by jonathankoren »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #491
slowmovintarget wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it usually means you had to actually attempt teaching math and have some experience in practice. That's part of what a Master's degree is supposed to mean, unless that, too, has diminished.

I have a Masters and have never had to teach anyone anything. I wasn't aware that it was a requirement. PhDs -- yes. They're expected to teach or TA. Most of my mentoring and tutoring experience came from new hires at work.

You can get a phd and never be a TA. You just always have paid research assistantships.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by lcuff »

anon291 wrote: post #281
lcuff wrote: post #69

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Which for some, (like me), is ludicrous. My own take is that children learn best (or for some, learn at all) when their interest in something is piqued or they are inspired by a teacher. (I only did homework for teachers I liked throughout my time in elementary and high school.) I claim most of what we learn in school is completely irrelevant to our lives anyway (with a clear exception of learning to read at all). My…

> My wife rose to an executive position in a big company without knowing her 'times tables'. Well that alone explains a lot of the problems this country is in, and is not the stunning argument for your side you may believe it to be.

Perhaps. She did know how to use a calculator, and generally she does better at arithmetic things than I do (balancing the checkbook, eg.) because she knows she's not good, whereas I know I'm good, so I'm more careless. Also, math wasn't and isn't important in many jobs, including hers. So "explains a lot of the problems this country is in" isn't the stunning argument for your side you may believe it to be. No offense intended.
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