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ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by hollerith »

bombolo wrote: post #325
hollerith wrote: post #143

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The FBI and CIA have both good and bad effects on a US resident whereas China's national security establishment has only bad effects (if it has any significant effects). There is no disadvantage to a US resident from stopping them from spying on US residents. Both the law-and-order type of US voter and the don't-tread-on-me type agree on that.

> China's national security establishment has only bad effects It has stopped the CIA from installing their own government, no?

Do you mean installing their own government in the US or in China?

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Post by manholio »

concordDance wrote: post #488
manholio wrote: post #485

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That's an insanely naive form of pacifism justifying acceptable genocide. If killing 0.99% of the population for geopolitical goals is acceptable, then 0.99% of the population of all states will get will get killed, currently roughly 80 million people. Because any country has at least one enemy with some geopolitical goal. I cannot put into words how revolting this idea of yours is, and it's exactly people like you t…

Your speculation is baseless. Basically no countries and states want to kill under a percent of another country. I can't think of a single example. World War 1 killed a lot more than 1% of the involved population. Honestly, just giving up and "losing" WW1 would have been way less bad for the commoners than actually fighting was. The problem with wanting to fight wars is that deterrence doesn't work (e.g. see the past…

The fact that you lump together invasions and wars of choice, like the Iraq war, with wars of necessity like the Ukrainian resistance against such an invasion, and prescribe that same cure against "warmongers" - when I was clearly talking in context only about the second case - should probably be a cue I need to stop entertaining this conversation.

I know you are well intentioned and believe in the things you say, but you should probably think this stance more thoroughly.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #478
paulryanrogers wrote: post #179

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> The only issue now is (it seems), that it's the chinese doing it and not facebook/google or local telcos. No. That is also an issue, few who are informed despute the need to address those as well. There can be more than one problem in need of solving at a time.

Well sure, but somehow noone was bothered by the local three-letter agencies getting the data from the telcos (and google, facebook, etc.), until the chinese did the same with their app.

Plenty of people were and are bothered. Clapper lied to Congress for a reason. Google accelerated their plans to encrypt inter DC links. And at least in the US tech companies release the quantity of requests from the government. FOIA is also a thing. Obviously not enough, yet far beyond any accountability for the CCP.

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Post by philliphaydon »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #489
philliphaydon wrote: post #486

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> ByteDance faces much stronger political pressures from the US than from China. Of course! Because tiktok should be banned everywhere. > The Chinese government can request whatever it likes, but ByteDance can structure its operations to make those requests impossible or difficult to fulfill LOL no it can’t. They would not risk getting thrown in jail for nothing by refusing a request from the CCP. > American tech exe…

> Because what the US does isn’t even close to that of China. The US actually appears to have a much more extensive global surveillance system than China does. Nothing even remotely comparable to what Snowden revealed has yet come to light about China. > They would not risk getting thrown in jail for nothing by refusing a request from the CCP. This is a very cartoonish view of how things in China work. The Chinese go…

> If the Chinese government requests data from TikTok, an American company, that sits on US-based servers, TikTok actually can challenge that request. US laws will come into play, and it will not be a simple matter to transfer the data (particularly in secret).

Lol the CCP doesn’t need to go to tiktok it goes to the parent company to access data. Bytedance. Which we know has infact accessed data from China.

But it’s clear now that you support the CCP so this is a pointless conversation.

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Post by throwaway29812 »

LarryMullins wrote: post #392
pavlov wrote: post #389

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The management in every Chinese company absolutely knows which employees are working primarily for the Party. They were not hired by accident.

They probably don't know all of them, if the Party knows what it's about. In the old Soviet system, you had people who were openly members of the Party, political officers placed in your organization. But you also had KGB agents placed in your organization that you didn't know about, because their job was to keep an eye on you.

> They probably don't know all of them

That implies a culture of rebellion against overreach and abuse of power, which doesn't exist.

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Post by throwaway29812 »

choppaface wrote: post #258
alphabetting wrote: post #2

Tdlr: Tiktok's Chinese parent company used Tiktok user data to track US journalists who uncovered they were accessing US user data in China.

Related: the story is about Forbes journalists. And Forbes journalists include fraudsters: https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/woman-accused-of-4-5-billi...

Not related unless you can specifically tie the two together. Otherwise you are engaging in ad hominem attacks.

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Post by CodexArcana »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #481
CyanBird wrote: post #346

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> China/TikTok is even worse of course.) Is it tho? Is it worse than Cisco or bcci? What about CryptoAG? Instagram and Meta literary have got shadow profiles on near every single person on the planet....

Yes, Huawei owns much more our telecoms than Cisco, and I also expect the US to align more with my values than China : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26843068

Are you sure it aligns with your values, considering the stark rise in Christian Fascism within its political environment?

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Post by CodexArcana »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #188
bioemerl wrote: post #145

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> "Democracy" is more or less an delusion those in power perpetuate to ensure the cattle think they have a choice I had a much larger post, but I'm going to only respond to this one now, because it sums up basically off the disagreements and no further discussion is going to resolve anything. I don't agree with this sort of cynicism at all, and I very much do believe that while it is very flawed, democracy ultimately…

Maybe for US citizens, but not so much for everyone else since 2001, hence why the EU effectively banned US companies in 2015 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems#Schrems_I (China/TikTok is even worse of course.)

It's just a taste of our own medicine. We sit here in the imperial core and expect that nothing we do globally will ever come back to haunt us (except it has and likely will again). We think that exporting our ideas and culture is good for the world, but that's just as unlikely to be true for us, just as it is for China.

I'm sure the us would love an EU/UK with private health care and weaker unions and labor laws.

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