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Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by bombolo »

bravura wrote: post #479
bombolo wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying that Intellij and IDE/completion make people smarter and more capable rather than a bit faster? Do you have any source for this very surprising claim?

You need supporting data that using high quality tools to ship next-level product will, in fact, upskill you as a developer? Can you list any alternate ways that one upskills?

He said I will become able to implement an OCR. I'm arguing that installing an IDE won't teach me all the theory of image processing.

And yes to convince me of that I need supporting data.

> Can you list any alternate ways that one upskills?

Studying, not installing stuff.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by serverlessmania »

jrpt wrote: post #18

"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…

I disagree, Github copilot makes me happy, helps a lot with guessing patterns in my own project base code, I just write the good function name and he guess what I want to do.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by adql »

irrational wrote: post #247
LASR wrote: post #235

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. I know this first hand, building a developer tool startup and failing to reach any level of revenue. In the end, the tech was bought out by a larger company to recover a fraction of our VC investment. The challenge is that when you're building software for developers, they already know how it must work. It's like trying to sell magic tricks to magici…

I’m a web developer. My company pays for JetBrains IntelliJ for me. And I love it. But, if I had to pay for it out of my own pocket, I’d use VS Code instead. I’ve used both and IntelliJ is superior to VS Code, but not to such an extent that I would pay my own money for it. But I’m more than happy to have my company buy it for me.

One big refactor paid for mine in saved time...

Would be silly for corpo to not buy it for developers

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by jareds »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #308
dopamean wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JetBrains IDEs are the only dev tool I pay for as well. I write kotlin professionally and for fun and the Intellij + Kotlin experience is the most I've enjoyed writing code since my early days learning Ruby.

Kotlin is such a lovely language, and I really like that it was made by JetBrains because that means I can count on a top notch IDE/development experience.

The fact that Kotlin was created by JetBrains and appears to require their IDE to be productive is the reason I have no interest in it. I'm totally blind and while JetBrains IDE's are technically accessible with my screen reading software they are difficult to use unlike VSCode which makes an effort to be plesent to use with screen reader software not just technically possible to use.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by adql »

julianeon wrote: post #459
bombolo wrote: post #434

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> Life's too short to not maximize your productivity for a few $'s. I feel that's not my problem as an employee. I work the same amount of time regardless.

Yes, but the work you do has commercial value to you also, based on its merits alone. Example: without Intellij, you deploy some back end code interacting with an OCR solution. Example: with Intellij, you can build the whole OCR solution yourself. Doing the latter translates long term into higher salaries and more money in your pocket. You have to talk about what you did in interviews and your answers will be reflect…

It will save you time, not allow to magically be better at coding...

>Example: without Intellij, you deploy some back end code interacting with an OCR solution.

> Example: with Intellij, you can build the whole OCR solution yourself.

How did IntelliJ taught you how to make OCR ? Or the example is completely out of your wild imagination ?

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by adql »

javajosh wrote: post #255
andyfleming wrote: post #250

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This is a product that I actually _would_ pay for as an individual. It's reasonably priced and worth the increase in efficiency and better experience. Plus their pricing is fair and flexible.

Yes, it seems fair to me to spend real money on Jetbrain's tools, if you like them. It is strange how reluctant programmers are to spend on tools even though they are, as a rule, quite willing to let themselves be paid handsomely for their services. Yet graphic designers pay for Adobe's tools. Who can read this riddle?

Graphics designers don't have much choice because even if they decide they are entirely fine with free program, the graphics design world runs on Adobe file formats. Not the case for programming

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by dotancohen »

irrational wrote: post #247
LASR wrote: post #235

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. I know this first hand, building a developer tool startup and failing to reach any level of revenue. In the end, the tech was bought out by a larger company to recover a fraction of our VC investment. The challenge is that when you're building software for developers, they already know how it must work. It's like trying to sell magic tricks to magici…

I’m a web developer. My company pays for JetBrains IntelliJ for me. And I love it. But, if I had to pay for it out of my own pocket, I’d use VS Code instead. I’ve used both and IntelliJ is superior to VS Code, but not to such an extent that I would pay my own money for it. But I’m more than happy to have my company buy it for me.

As a software developer with my own business, Jetbrains was the only piece of software that I paid for. Everything else was open source.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by Semaphor »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #485
Semaphor wrote: post #424

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It’s not just a new UI, it’s ~~crippled~~ faster to be more like VS Code and not cannibalize their existing IDEs.

My understanding is there's Fleet, their VSCode competitor, which sounds like you're referring to, and the UI refresh, which parent is referring to. The UI refresh is the same IDE under the hood, just way simpler. I control the IDE primarily through command palette (I think many do?) so decluttering would be great- the UI is unnecessarily complex when you can press a key and type a few words to do what you want.

Ah damn, you are right. Didn't seem too much vs code like, though.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by AdrianB1 »

julianeon wrote: post #459
bombolo wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Life's too short to not maximize your productivity for a few $'s. I feel that's not my problem as an employee. I work the same amount of time regardless.

Yes, but the work you do has commercial value to you also, based on its merits alone. Example: without Intellij, you deploy some back end code interacting with an OCR solution. Example: with Intellij, you can build the whole OCR solution yourself. Doing the latter translates long term into higher salaries and more money in your pocket. You have to talk about what you did in interviews and your answers will be reflect…

Most of the productivity increases in the past 50 years landed in the pockets of the employers, not the employees.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by _cs2017_ »

BoorishBears wrote: post #149
_cs2017_ wrote: post #79

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> take over (something) and use it for a different purpose. You are misleading readers in order to promote your agenda. You clearly speak perfect English, so you know what hijack means. "take over (something) and use it for a different purpose." is not found as a definition of "hijack" in any dictionary. "Hijack" implies "unlawfully" or "without having a right to do so". Of course, every word can be used in a slightl…

You should let Cambridge know: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hijac... > to take control of or use something that does not belong to you for your own advantage: And Encyclopædia Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/hijack >: to take or take control of (something) for your own purposes And Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hijack > : to take or take contro…

Hmm yes you are correct. I didn't realize how common these meanings were...
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