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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Snapdragon Developer Kit was built with a "cost above all" mandate, $219 target pricing but it just wasn't powerful enough. > There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Azure cloud instances are also an option. > but I'm not sure if there's remaining appetite for Windows target-specific d…

I feel Microsoft is in a similar position to it’s windows phones in regards to ARM. Additionally they don’t have a system like Rosetta 2 to help with translation, a LOT of windows apps are x32/64 based, and there has to be an incentive for devs to make the switch, Apple faced this issue when moving from PPC, they used I believe Carbon to help, and over time took carbon off and forced devs to update to apples current…

Yes they have it indeed, Arm64EC.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/arm64ec

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I wish macOS just was Linux.

What more *nix do you want on macOS than is already there? I can understand from the lockdown perspective (i.e. just give me a Vulkan driver on macOS) but as a polished DTE with a unix terminal I find it pretty decent.

MacOS is great and all but no Ctrl + Alt + T for terminal, no deal.

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>> An ARM based Windows computer isn't a bad idea, I just question if Microsoft is able to deliver on it. Microsoft has already executed and brutally failed with ARM in the form of the disastrous Surface RT/Windows RT. But, and more importantly. Two people with unlimited resources are running a race car race. One starts a year or two before the other. Even with unlimited resources; the other racer/team has unlimited…

If MS showed up with a backward compatibility layer as good as Apple’s Rosetta, they’d instantly be a strong competitor. Maybe not for gaming systems or high-end workstations — at least not immediately — but in the huge space of people who want a battery sipping laptop with access to a vast amount of software they’re already using.

Here, https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/arm64ec

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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This is Microsoft's second go at a developer-focused ARM kit. You may recall the first was called the Snapdragon Developer Kit [1] and was a miserable machine. It appears Microsoft has already pulled it from the Microsoft Store [2]. There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Seems like a…

>> but I'm not sure if there's remaining appetite for Windows target-specific development

I mean.....video games are still huge?

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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This is Microsoft's second go at a developer-focused ARM kit. You may recall the first was called the Snapdragon Developer Kit [1] and was a miserable machine. It appears Microsoft has already pulled it from the Microsoft Store [2]. There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Seems like a…

>> but I'm not sure if there's remaining appetite for Windows target-specific development I mean.....video games are still huge?

In general yes, however not sure windows on arm is a target platform for game devs?

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Excluded how you mean?

"The Windows Dev Kit 2023 is now available to developers in 8 countries: Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States."

Seems odd to leave India out while keeping China on the list next to France before Germany. Apple is going to manufacture the gadgets in India and the former Indochina region.

Will be interesting to see the memory capacity on the next new Mac Mini expected in one or two month.

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Why would anyone buy that before Windows users are actually using ARM?

Maybe the usecase for this 32GB pre-halloween box release is to run the dotnet stuff on an agnostic headless operating system at the edge fanning in FPGA sensor, actuator things. The next after ARM is RISCV. ARM has been done.

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Honestly, if Apple were to care, they could undo the course of computing history where at one point Windows became the monopoly. Launch a 500$ category laptop, say 3 gens old. That would soon be M1. Won't be very profitable, but a direct competitor to the typical crappy Windows low-end laptop. Yet it's so much better in performance, security, battery life, total lifespan, etc. Double down on making it idiot-proof. Op…

They could make a m1 SE in late 23 with a plastic case as old MacBooks, same ports of m1 air, slightly less battery and 1080p screen at 500$ and it will sell like crazy.

I think the only problem with this is that that Apple permanently switched to higher resolution screens, text looks awful at 1080p since Apple dropped font anti aliasing. High DPI screens are a requirement.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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This is Microsoft's second go at a developer-focused ARM kit. You may recall the first was called the Snapdragon Developer Kit [1] and was a miserable machine. It appears Microsoft has already pulled it from the Microsoft Store [2]. There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Seems like a…

I am hearing great things about the Lenovo Thinkpad X13s (both performance and battery-wise), and hope more ARM models will follow.
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