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Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by unqueued » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

sjg wrote: post #232

shoelessone wrote: post #217

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I'm interested in what you mean by "setup script" - I assume you have a script of some sort you run when / if you re-install the OS? I'd love to hear more about this!

Look up dotfiles on GitHub - for example https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles/blob/main/.macos

I added a PR to fix rsync, mosh, and some other tools, since they will be broken out of the box.

But it seems this project has fallen behind on PRs.

If you would like to have this fix, you can do this after cloning the repo:

  git clone https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles && cd dotfiles

  git fetch origin "+refs/pull/*/head:refs/remotes/origin/pr/*" && git cherry-pick origin/pr/963

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by m000 » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:44 PM UTC

fake-name wrote: post #370

m000 wrote: post #198

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What do you mean "still mostly useless"? Is there anything more usable on any other OS? I moved back to Windows a couple of years back. Spotlight is the second thing I miss most from macOS, with the first being Preview.

Mentioned elsewhere, Everything search by voidtools: https://www.voidtools.com . It does funky things with monitoring some component of the NTFS filesystem to maintain a up-to-date index of every filename on your computer, and makes them searchable literally as fast as you can type. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33321000 ) There seems to be two kind of searching people do. Some people want a search tool that…

> I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've wanted to search inside documents in the last 10+ years

If you want to search documents you have created, I can imagine that you may not use the feature much. But e.g. for research papers, the downloaded copy rarely reflects the contents/authors, so it is really handy to be able to search the contents.

> For some reason, searching inside documents seems to be the default for both windows and os x search, and it's super annoying.

Weird. For me windows don't seem to search inside documents, or at least not in all documents.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by DavideNL » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:48 PM UTC

jks wrote: post #91

alin23 wrote: post #34

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I still wish for something like Everything on Windows ( https://www.voidtools.com/ ) I wrote my own solution using fd + sqlite + fzf but it's nowhere as fast as Everything, and it also requires me to focus the Terminal to use it.

Happy user of Finda here: https://keminglabs.com/finda/ Don't know if it works on Ventura, not upgrading until I know.

Fyi, it does not work. I get this error when opening Finda on macOS Ventura 13.0 (22A380):

"This version of Finda (629.0.0+df7956) is not compatible with your operating system version (22.1.0). Press Enter to download the latest version or Command+ to quit."

EDIT: e-mailed the Developer, beta release coming tomorrow...

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by kderbyma » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 8:49 PM UTC

wow.....nothing I want....and lots I don't like.....good job......:/

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by wyan » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 10:19 PM UTC

deergomoo wrote: post #183

anigbrowl wrote: post #167

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone…

I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

Last time I checked the logs after an update, what I understood had happened was that the installer was installing the new files one by one, and logging each one of them. Which is a lot of files. I've no idea if this is still done this way, but I suspect it's part of the reason for the slowness.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by rubyist5eva » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 10:19 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #482

rubyist5eva wrote: post #469

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In my experience using linux vms mainly for database workloads Parallels is nearly 10x faster than both UTM using Qemu and even Apple Virtualization (just tested it this morning using Ventura and the latest UTM 4.0 version with Ventura updates).

Interesting, I didn't know you could even get better performance than properly-configured QEMU. Are you sure you had GPU passthrough enabled?

I'm not sure but all of my vms are headless so I don't think that would really have any benefit..?

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by dev_tty01 » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 11:11 PM UTC

zestyping wrote: post #16

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

>not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk

A Spotlight search never starts a scan of your disk. The disk is always fully indexed and returns results out of the index very fast. The only exception is typically when the system is updated (or some other big event) and it reindexes everything.

That being said, as others have pointed out, there is a setting to make a Finder window search apply only to the directory in the current window.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by phist_mcgee » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 2:02 AM UTC

duffyjp wrote: post #227

anigbrowl wrote: post #119

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What is with that extended scrolling thing though. I want to look at the scrollbar to know how long a document (including a web page) is, not have it keep changing as I move farther into it. 'Oh people don't like looking at long documents' - then they're not your target customers and you should just ignore them and stop listening to the ad sales person who is paid by commission.

Probably lazy loading the images/content blocks when you get near to save bandwidth but not having same-sized placeholders. I see that a lot.

Ads. It's always ads.

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by ryan-allen » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 6:05 AM UTC

angry_octet wrote: post #450

kennend3 wrote: post #447

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This prevents me from buying an iPad mini. it is incredibly stupid that they did this, but i guess it does force you to buy both an iPad and iPhone?

Everyone still has a phone, and it doesn't force me to buy an Apple phone, it just means the iPad is worth less to me. I'm left stuffing around with Skype or some other horrible voip system because Apple don't like the look of a phone icon on an iPad -- even if you're using AirPods!

Apple could probably build an iPhone/iPad with an M1 CPU and allow you to 'do it all' on the single device.

I really hope one day my phone can also be my day-to-day computer. That would be so cool!

Re: macOS Ventura is now available

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Post by ryan-allen » Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 6:47 AM UTC

ar_lan wrote: post #228

deergomoo wrote: post #183

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I got a Windows PC for the first time in over a decade recently and I cannot understand why MacOS updates are so damned slow

My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. I used to game weekly with my friends, and because of the above problem, I would have to turn on my computer the night before and start the update so I would be able to reliably play a game the following day - otherwise, there was an extremely good chance that they would st…

Did you have an SSD on your PC ~3 years ago? I never found it to be that bad or for it to take that long!

I kicked off the Ventura update today on the M1 Pro, went out to get lunch, it had finished by the time I got back.

I've been on the 'insider preview' track on Windows 10 and 11 for around 18 months. You get big updates maybe 2-4 times per month and they do take around 20 minutes to install.

Stick on the regular updates track, make sure you get an SSD, and your new Windows 11 experience will be fine just fine :) Check out WSL too, it is pretty good. I'm split on Linux vs Windows vs MacOS for development, it's all a game of tradeoffs. The trick is to have a few computers!