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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by throwaway6734 »

g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

>Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway

Then they can ban their products from the US

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by KptMarchewa »

hulitu wrote: post #471
InCityDreams wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it's many civilized governments... China not civilized? And before human rights becomes the main talking point: Guantanamo.

They are using civilized torture in Guantanamo, you know.

How many organs were civilizationally harvested there?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by quitit »

g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

For the same reason why you don't send good money after bad. A line is drawn in the sand and while this isn't significant at first - it compounds over time, and allows businesses to divest, avoid new relationships and allow existing ones to become redundant.

From war-mongering, using arbitrary embargoes as political retaliation, to farcical business practices (e.g. the ARM China saga), to a lop-sided approach to intellectual property and using the state to remove competition, both China and Russia have proven to act in bad faith, not respect rules-based order and not be a good business/manufacturing partner.

At some point one needs to stop feeding the trolls.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by ericmay »

yrlihuan wrote: post #416
ericmay wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wars happen because each of the two sides think they can win. In this case, the US is obviously confident it can win. This one is easy to see in this scenario. China on the other hand questions the commitment of the US: “really, you’re going to go to war to protect Taiwan? It’s China! What do you care?”, and this could be true if geographic and geopolitical realities were different. But what the CCP somewhat and I th…

The US will win in a non-war scenario, by using its influence over the other countries and isolating China from the US's western allies. It's an easy choice and seemingly an easy win. A real military conflict with China near China's front door is another thing. I doubt anyone with some common sense should call that an easy win.

Sorry - I meant that it was easy to see that the US is confident it can win, not that winning would be easy.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by T-A »

differentView wrote: post #481
g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

Can't most manufacturing be moved to other countries, such as India and Vietnam?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-us-fabs-everything-we-...

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Post by qwezxcrty »

gred wrote: post #308
butterfly771 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

We'd be seeing significantly less concern in the West if the "official" Chinese worldview were more democratic, less authoritarian, more humanistic, and less illiberal. How long will it take for the emerging Chinese middle class to force changes internally, move up Maslow's hierarchy, and demand freedom of conscience, speech, religion, assembly, press, petition, and privacy? IMO it's a bit of a race between the Chine…

> We'd be seeing significantly less concern in the West if the "official" Chinese worldview were more democratic, less authoritarian, more humanistic, and less illiberal. |

As a Chinese have a mostly negative feeling about CCP government, I'm not sure if this is true.

Imagine hypothetically, Chinese government got magically replaced by a democratic regime. Is the intensifying competition between US and China going to stop? I think the same thing like US and Japan competition in the 90's, fuelled by purely economical reasons, will still be there.

While I deeply hope China can get a more liberal government in the future, I don't believe the current concern of US is driven by "belief in democratics".

Also look at non-democratic non-liberal at all countries like Saudi Arab, why US sell F15s to them but have concerns selling chips to China?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by T-A »

kypro wrote: post #469
londons_explore wrote: post #451

There is a little irony in the fact these chips are manufactured in Taiwan, which according to China is already 'in China'. So these chips which are banned from going from the US to China, do already go from China to the US.

Officially the US recognises Taiwan as part of China too.

No. The US acknowledges the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China. It does not agree with China's claim to sovereignty over Taiwan.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-w...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by freemanon »

jonnybgood wrote: post #331
immigrantheart wrote: post #287

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> i doubt that is actually true - the old chinese civilization is long gone. It's like saying that the american indian civilization is still here today. Native American Indian didn't speak English, got obliterated by European settlers, their culture and their language destroyed. The American Indians have zero continuity today. They are a lost people. The Chinese was and still is the same, the Han. Despite Mongol and…

Native American cultures and languages are still very much alive. Have you not heard of the Cherokee and Navajo nations, and the many others? They are definitely not a lost people. Also, not all Chinese people are Han.

You know nothing about china. I suggest reading up on the different Chinese dynasties before making uneducated statements
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