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The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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post #333

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> Automatic is more fuel efficient I thought it was the opposite. Has that changed?

Yes. Technology advanced and CVTs and 10-speed dual-clutch automatic transmissions are now more (by 1-2 mpg) more efficient than manual transmissions.

I doubt it's changed under real driving conditions, with hills, valleys and overtaking happening frequently, where all types of automatic transmissions perform poorly (they can't possibly anticipate an oncoming hill or overtaking, whereas the driver manually shifts to the correct gear beforehand).

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#492
post #196

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It seems like it should be straightforward to pull out any cell radios, no? I've removed them from cell phones with ease, and I have to think the larger size of a car would lend itself to this being easy.

You're making terrible assumptions here. The fact is you'll need special tools and then you'll need to follow a special procedure as if you're defusing a bomb. Otherwise... the radio will phone home and inform the mother-ship it's being tampered with. The prima facie reason is that in case of an accident the car should be able to request help even if everyone inside the car is unconscious. The other reason is, of cou…

> The other reason is, of course, that document you signed at the dealership stated that you've only purchased the _right_to_use_ the car... not the actual car.

I can assure you that (in the US at least) when you buy a car, pay off any financing, and ultimately hold the title free and clear, you do in fact own the car.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#493

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In NL, a RAM can be bought as a company car, effectively dodging road tax. (50 euro vs 200 euro per month). For comparison, you pay 100 euro per month for a tiny car if it runs on diesel (these were 'green' and exempt from road tax 10 years ago). Or between 30 and 70 per month for gasoline cars.

Every landscaper seems to have at least one of them.

And this is a problem because why? It's pretty perfect for the role of "something a little lesser than a small dump truck but that still does the same jobs".

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#494
post #399

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> As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement Pickup trucks are the opposite of fashion. There are to cars what Crocs are to shoes.

Disagree. Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion. They serve as a signaling mechanism the same way that a pair of Gucci loafers do, just for a different culture.

>Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion.

Utilization of private vehicles scales with income, not with population density. HN just all tends to live in "nice" places so they never see people using their vehicles to the max. This is true for all vehicle classes, not just pickup trucks.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I genuinely think this is part of the reason for cycling-as-hobby, aka Middle Aged Men In Lycra.

I want a hobby vehicle to present some sort of challenge. Now maybe you shouldn't ever be "challenging" yourself on a public road, but doing so in an old sports car at 45 mph, is clearly not the same level of risk to others as pushing equivalently in the modern version. It's just less acceptable, even before environmental concerns. So that leaves you with "push the throttle for maybe five seconds, then back off before you plough into a shared-use bridge at 120 mph" (something I've unfortunately seen, recently). Neat trick, but really a skill as such, is it?

Meanwhile, I hit 40 mph yesterday, on a twisty road, using gravity and oatmeal. That's my accomplishment.

Then there's the noise. An old sports car made noise because the designer wanted, was singularly focused on, making a powerful engine. A new car makes noise because, after the team of engineers make a powerful engine, then design an efficient suppressor system to comply with laws, the marketers come along and find regions of the engine map the laws do not cover, and order the engineers to make it very loud in those regions specifically. The former is charming, the latter is just cheap. More so when you're embarrassed by an EV - scratch that, a practical EV, with storage space and stuff - during acceleration.

And for all that, the sports car is still usually pretty rubbish on a track compared to a purpose-built vehicle. Pro tip: real mechanical engineers worry about heat dissipation. A lot. Really a lot. Your road car almost certainly doesn't have enough for sustained track work. They manage a few laps, then important components - the brake discs, brake pads, brake fluid, dampers, maybe even some of the sensors and power steering - start fading. Again, in comparison a few thousand on bike stuff gets you something entirely race-worthy. Yes I know it's still just a bicycle - it is - but you do notice the sense of purpose, that things are there because they make the vehicle better at its one job.

If OEMs want ICE sports cars, arguably any sports cars, to have a future, then the Top Trumps needs to stop. Rediscover that sense of purpose. Either the point is "fun at socially acceptable speeds", in which case manuals are just better because they're more fun, or it's "prove I have lots of money", in which case stick an electric motor in and coat the interior in gold, because the current crop of go-fasts don't have long for this earth, legislation will see to that.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#496
post #164

> As sad as it may be, manual vehicles make up a miniscule percentage of the current market share. Is the author talking about the world or the US? AFAIK the vast majority of vehicles sold in Europe are manual. Not sure about the rest of the world. I'm from Spain and I've never seen an AT car there. I'm sure they exist though, probably. I now live in Mexico where AT is very common and I've gotten used to it. I think…

> Is the author talking about the world or the US? World = USA for something like 90% of Internet posts/videos.

Funny, you’re reading an American news aggregate site about an American publication called Popular Mechanics.

Why wouldn’t you expect Popular Mechanics to be talking about the American market?

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#497

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Every landscaper seems to have at least one of them.

And this is a problem because why? It's pretty perfect for the role of "something a little lesser than a small dump truck but that still does the same jobs".

I didn't say it was a problem. Please don't strawman.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#498

The transmission will simply be gone due to electric motors won't it? And even with gas engines, I'm in Europe and I've never owned an automatic. I've driven a few and kinda hated them... with the exception of Toyota's CVT. I would drive that. Too bad hybrids have 18/24 months delivery time around here. Not a good time to change your car.

Electric vehicles like Teslas still have transmissions. They just have only one gearing.

Well, i don't need to care about it then.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#499
post #485

To me, this headline comes at least 10 years to late. For two reasons. First of all, even with ICE cars, manual transmissions become more and more rare. Even traditional sports car companies in most models usually rather offer a double-clutch transmission. But obviously, the end of all gear-shifting is near, as most electric cars only have a fixed transmission ratio, so never shift gears. We really need to switch all…

In Europe, automatic transmission only really got mainstream in the past decade or so. Yes we have had cars that are fully automatic, but that would be more of the high end cards. Most small consumer cars usually was (and still is) manual

Yeah here in Norway new cars sold with automatic went from 32% in 2010 to 96% today[1]. Though I suspect the high ratio of electric cars sold these days, 65% last year[2], has probably been a major contributor.

[1]: https://www.nrk.no/osloogviken/flere-tar-forerkort-for-bil-m...

[2]: https://www.elbil24.no/nyheter/na-er-hver-sjette-bil-i-norge...

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#500
post #135

Honestly, I don't understand why manufacturers are spending any money at all designing new ICE power trains. I can sort of see the argument for hybrids, but charging networks will make them obsolete very soon. On the other hand, I also expect politicians to pull in the 2035 mandatory phase outs of gas vehicles.

> I can sort of see the argument for hybrids, but charging networks will make them obsolete very soon.

Eh, I don't know about that. The current-gen Prius can easily get over 600 miles on a tank of gas if you aren't a lead foot. And a refill takes 5 minutes. For longer trips, that still makes quite a difference.

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