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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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> I'm just giving general advice about how it's good to keep things business and personal things separate in a public forum where others reading can also learn from the advice. Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. If you have something like "here's a hidden Terminal defaults write command I discovered that is largely unknown an…

>Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome.

>There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this.

The only conceit being displayed here is from the person who thinks they can speak for other people on what they do or don't need to know about separating accounts, especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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> I don't have hate speech bookmarked, sorry. Surely you have instances of the hatespeech you claim that wasn't moderated upon report. Transgenders are probably the most protected group on reddit, so much that questioning their arguments even respectfully is banned from that website. Nobody asked you to bookmark anything, but you need to source your claims.

> Transgenders are probably the most protected group on reddit, so much that questioning their arguments even respectfully is banned from that website This is demonstrably false, literally any r/ukpolitics thread with a trans-related headline will contain a ton of respectful disagreement and then plenty of open prejudice too. If we're being honest, be honest, don't twist a narrative the other way.

> If we're being honest, be honest, don't twist a narrative the other way.

Yes, let's be honest, that's why I asked the parent to source their claim and all I got is a lazy cop out.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly. I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.…

That was my independent takeaway from the article. And requesting an appeal with the verbiage "you cannot possibly be this dense" is a poor way to treat people, especially when the author admits it was the AI banning, not a person, so it wasn't a front line person being dense in the first place.

> There is a clear path to getting unbanned from Twitter, but the author refuses to take it. Shame.

I disagree on the latter part, Twitter would be better without these egotistical people on it in the first place.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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> I'm just giving general advice about how it's good to keep things business and personal things separate in a public forum where others reading can also learn from the advice. Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. If you have something like "here's a hidden Terminal defaults write command I discovered that is largely unknown an…

You seem slightly confused. This is a public forum not a phone call. If you need some level of control over how people reply, talk to a carefully curated group of friends who will comply with your whims.

This thread started off interesting and turned embarrassing.

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I always find it funny when people get up in arms about "verbal abuse" and somehow don't care about the abuse inherent in the situation. Somehow the perpetuation of the abuse is justified by someone having an imperfect response, dear god. But i suppose you view him as an uppity supplicant who offended the king. Therefore he's a jerk and deserves it, according to you? This is not a view of things that actually solves…

Two wrongs don't make a right. Twitter banning him for "Revenge Porn" over a video of Stray is really not a great look, and the ban should've been immediately reversed on appeal. Him being abusive to the moderation team (who likelier than not have nothing to do with the team that built the AI moderation system) is completely uncalled for, though, and deserves punishment Funnily enough, what I think is the right outco…

> Him being abusive to the moderation team

His comment was angry, but not "abusive".

> (who likelier than not have nothing to do with the team that built the AI moderation system)

No: they do not get some free pass here from the moral implications of this system they have chosen to be a part of. I have at lease some sympathy for the idea that some of these people might really really have needed a job or have gotten caught up in a system they didn't realize was evil until it is too late... but, now they work for the system and the power differential is clearly skewed in their direction with them being the judicial arm of this ridiculously broken enforcement mechanism created by Twitter: they have power over this user that this user will never have over them, and so the onus of being reasonable is entirely on them.

> is completely uncalled for, though

No: it was quite directly "called for". Twitter did something ridiculous here, and they frankly at this point are doing it knowingly, and the people who work for Twitter are actively deciding to be part of Twitter's process.

If you go around as a bully kicking people in the shin because "no one said I can't" even though you know you are being a complete jerk about it, and then one of the people you kick has the gall to get angry, that anger should be expected and I'd even go so far to say it is justified.

> and deserves punishment

Even if this were true--and it is not--we should then be faced with the reality that that is a separate issue; and so, if Twitter, wanted to be honest here they should accept the appeal and then separately reinstate the user's account. However, remember: if we believe that being angry at someone who wronged you is somehow wrong (which again: it is not) and we believe (due to your insistence) that this potential customer service agent (we don't actually have proof there was a person who looked at the appeal) was horribly wronged by the user (even though they weren't), then the action of punishing the user by lying about the result of their appeal for sending a slightly-frustrated response is yet another situation where we should claim that the person wronged should turn the other cheek, no? So your own logic actually also comes to the conclusion this customer support person should be punished... I might personally suggest--for the sake of irony--being immediately fired and then judging their amount of severance pay based on how friendly they are to the HR representative (who, obviously, despite being the arm of this decision will be cleared of culpability due to having merely chosen to be part of a labyrinthine bureaucracy instead of directly taking the action) after they are given the news.

Look: I used to actively do customer service. And did I get some people who were angry? Yup. Did it sometimes piss me off? Of course! Hell: I will even admit to occasionally getting into arguments with users that scaled on how annoying they were being.

But, at the end of the day, I didn't let that decide whether I was going to give someone the refund they asked for or to fix their account in whatever way was needed. It might have limited the "extra" friendly help or random benefits I sometimes threw people I would directly interact with, but if they were legitimately wronged they deserved legitimate compensation and their anger at me had to be contextualized by its cause: that my software had wronged them. If anything, it felt a bit good to just hit the refund button and then ignore them forever.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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That's literally admitting to a crime. Even if the crime didn't actually happen, the tweet is gone, so now he's left with having admitted to a crime and no evidence to show that he didn't actually commit it.

It's not literally admitting to a crime. If I said that if you reply to this comment, you stole my wallet and you reply, you're not admitting you stole my wallet.

Is it a stretch to assume Twitter will assume he admitted to the crime though? I’m pretty sure in a en somewhere the author will be flagged as « this account posted confirmed revenge porn in 2022 ». What if their bots think another tweet of his is revenge porn? Will they ban him forever with no appeal? What if they decide to report it to the authorities? What if Twitter decides to show this info on profile pages to warn the users of potentially offensive users? What if there’s a leak and the author becomes publicly flagged as someone who posts revenge porn?

Honestly this is scary as fuck.

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> I'm just giving general advice about how it's good to keep things business and personal things separate in a public forum where others reading can also learn from the advice. Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. If you have something like "here's a hidden Terminal defaults write command I discovered that is largely unknown an…

>Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. >There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this. The only conceit being displayed here is from the person who thinks they can speak for other people on what they do or don't need to know about separating accounts, especially after they themselves…

> especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them

I didn't say I suffered. The odds are that I was not involved in the data breach, given that it was only a small percentage of Twitter users.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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It's not literally admitting to a crime. If I said that if you reply to this comment, you stole my wallet and you reply, you're not admitting you stole my wallet.

Is it a stretch to assume Twitter will assume he admitted to the crime though? I’m pretty sure in a en somewhere the author will be flagged as « this account posted confirmed revenge porn in 2022 ». What if their bots think another tweet of his is revenge porn? Will they ban him forever with no appeal? What if they decide to report it to the authorities? What if Twitter decides to show this info on profile pages to w…

It is a gigantic stretch, yes. If twitter thinks you posted 'confirmed revenge porn' they'd ban your account (as stated in their policy on the subject) and probably report you to law enforcement. If that happened over a cat game video then yes, that would be bad, disturbing, scary, you name it. That's a 100% not what happened, though, and turning it into some narrative about implacable machines grinding down our inalienable human rights is a mistake.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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They sent him an automated private message misidentifying one of his videos. This is obviously lame and annoying but no, he was not accused of a crime he did not commit or have to escape from a military stockade into the Los Angeles underground.

They didn't file a police report, no, but this is absolutely the equivalent of verbally accusing someone of posting revenge porn. If someone walked up to you and said "Your most-recent tweet is revenge porn and it's disgusting" and then reiterated that after double checking both the innocuous tweet and that they had the correct person, you would probably be claiming they incorrectly accused you of tweeting revenge po…

When the security person at Best Buy stops you to check if your receipt matches what's in your cart when you head out, they're not accusing you of theft.
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