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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Aunche »

snehk wrote: post #22
blululu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is a reason why China’s government bans all the American Social Media companies. If they could undermine the country’s sovereignty then it would be a significant difference.

They ban them because the companies don't want to follow the same rules Chinese companies have to follow. It's exactly what I'm asking for. Have one set of rules and apply them to everyone. Ban data harvesting completely. Ban it for Facebook, Google and everyone else and then kick out TikTok because they don't follow the rules.

This isn't true. Foreign websites get arbitrary banned in China despite following all their local rules. Even if they aren't banned, a lot of times they're artificially throttled. My best guess is that they'd rather keep the money circulated in China.

Example with apple: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_the_iTunes_Sto...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by thematrixturtle »

srcreigh wrote: post #486
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Of course they don't get applied across the board. As much as TikTok is a US national security risk, Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a US national security asset . The problem with privacy law is that some foreign powers won't abide by the laws. It's not unlike violence- a country can try to make a global law saying "Nobody is allowed to have a military", but if they actually…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_arme... has 21 entries, including Iceland, Panama and Costa Rica.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by DrScientist »

srcreigh wrote: post #486
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Of course they don't get applied across the board. As much as TikTok is a US national security risk, Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a US national security asset . The problem with privacy law is that some foreign powers won't abide by the laws. It's not unlike violence- a country can try to make a global law saying "Nobody is allowed to have a military", but if they actually…

> Google/Meta massively gathering data about citizens of other countries is a national security asset.

Depends which nation you are in right?

The world isn't split into two: US or China.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Shreedinger »

1. On reading the article it seems like Tik Tok VP, Head of Public Policy has reasonably refuted all allegations with satisfactory explanation. 2. This comes conveniently at a time when Tik Tok is poised to overtake Google for search traffic in 18 to 30 age group. As usual, the jokes on the public. No one gives a flying fuck about our privacy.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by atwood22 »

zeroimpl wrote: post #485
atwood22 wrote: post #460

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Yes, zero sum means a gain for one is a loss for another. But you’re not gaining or losing when you buy something. The seller isn’t gaining or losing either. You’re both trading like for like. Again, zero sum does not imply like for like trades are impossible.

You are arguing purely on price but not considering other factors. To the person who bought the beer, the deemed value is probably more than they paid for it, and to the seller the beer was a liability due to having a limited shelf life and occupying shelf space. Thus there was a gain for both parties.

The basis of the capitalist system is that price is set based off of worth to the sellers and buyers. Yes, I am arguing purely on price, because the price takes into account many different factors like the liability of holding stock and the utility of drinking with friends.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by arroz »

trasz wrote: post #402
Msw242 wrote: post #378

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The world map has been mostly frozen the last few decades precisely because USA is the global hegemon and world police. Regional powers (which is what we would devolve to) are demonstrating exactly what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. We don't have an interest in solving for all the world's ills…

>what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. Meanwhile with America running the show: entire regions - South America and Middle East - largely destroyed, with tens of millions of victims. America isn’t the “world police”, they are just the main bully.

How did the US destroy South America? And please don’t talk about military dictatorship that happened decades ago .-.

Middle East has also been invaded by Europe and Russia

China has been running concentration camps on middle eastern (for now the ones within their borders)

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by thematrixturtle »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #403
refurb wrote: post #385

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You realize vast swaths of China’s population are pretty much rural farmers living of less than $5,000 per year right?

The poverty rate in US is ~14%, that's tens of millions of Americans living in poverty. Comparing incomes directly doesn't help, how much can $5k buy you in China vs how much can the poverty level income buy you in US?

The Per capita income of the United States is 5.78 and 3.61 times higher than that of China in nominal and PPP terms, respectively.

So the answer is that even in purchasing power parity terms, the average American is 4x richer.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by butlerm »

DocTomoe wrote: post #332
subroutine wrote: post #321

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In that case I have no problem with the U.S. banning tiktok until China relaxes its laws.

Trying to legislate other countries? You are aware that sword cuts both ways, right?

The U.S. can ban Tiktok within its own borders (for whatever reason) without making any attempt to legislate the rules for Tiktok in any other country.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ethbr0 »

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #372
throw0101a wrote: post #340

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>> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player > Are you sure? Would you rather have someone else / some other country (other than the US) be the hegemon? If so, who? And are they willing to do it?

Perhaps it would be better if nobody was the hegemon eh?

Is that possible?

The wildly different allocation of resources and population (on a country border basis) suggests some country will always have the means to be hegemonic (especially if other contenders all decide not to be).

Which in practice means there will always be a hegemony.

If the US ceded its role tomorrow, China would step into it. If China ceded it the day after, Russia or the EU would step into it. (I'm skipping over India and Japan, as both seem to have cultural aversions to strongly projecting power overseas)

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #489
tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

That's... not a great analogy. I trust my wife a lot more than I trust Mark Zuckerberg (or Xi Jinping).

Yes but the United States government trusts Mark Zuckerberg more than Xi Jinping.
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