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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by skavi »

renewiltord wrote: post #463
skavi wrote: post #412

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20% faster. The chassis and display have been changed as well. (Not to say you’ve made the wrong decision)

Not at all, your opinion is much appreciated. Nothing massively different in the chassis and display, right?

Nothing game changing IMO.

They added MagSafe charging.

It’s thinner and lighter (the previous model was already thin and light).

They added some new colors (I’m partial to the blue).

The screen is a few pixels taller (however a new notch takes some of those pixels away).

The camera is higher quality, the speakers are a bit better, and the screen gets a bit brighter.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by no_butterscotch »

caycep wrote: post #158
msh wrote: post #85

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Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.

There was some dock from a 3rd party vendor that let you do more screens, but I can't remember which one...

I bought and followed the online tutorials about using the DisplayLink docks and whatever else I purchased from Amazon and I couldn't get it to work with 2 external monitors. It isn't straightforward.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by sliken »

ceeplusplus wrote: post #262
Matl wrote: post #117

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> selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead That's Apple's marketing but the 12th Gen P chips are perfectly capable of keeping up with Apple on the performance side and AMD's likely to be able to compete on the power consumption side as well. Yes, x86 is likely to never match ARM on battery life, but I believe they can be reasonably close for it not to be an issue.

That's exactly the problem though. One OEM can match Apple in performance, and the other in power, but none in both power and performance.

The competition is improving:

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amds-ryzen-7-6800u-is-35-more-...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by flakiness »

godelski wrote: post #485

Why does the 13" Pro have a 720p camera and the Air have a 1080p? Seriously, why is Apple still putting in 720p cameras? This has to be a mistake, right? Edit: Also the pro is missing the magsafe charger. Are they phasing out the 13" pro? Pro: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Air: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/specs/

MBP13 is an old form factor so it'll be definitely phased out. There are 14 and 16 that are getting real love these have 1080p webcam IIRC.

But the phase-out period is very long in recent Apple products (which is probably a good thing especially for enterprise context.)

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by watmough »

slaw wrote: post #222
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

I am waiting for HP Dev One. https://hpdevone.com/

Maybe consider a ThinkPad P1 Gen 4.

$$$ but can be had for 40% off.

A good spec with the nice screen and discrete graphics is Upsides: Great for Ubuntu, everything just works. Screen is beautiful. Keyboard is brilliant.

Downsides: Can get hot. Battery life sucks. Still 11th gen - Tiger Lake.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by lynguist »

babypuncher wrote: post #92
threeseed wrote: post #34

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Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

Even if that happens, I'm not sure how much appeal an ARM version of Windows actually has. Right now, the only things keeping me on Windows are Visual Studio and my huge library of legacy software ( ahem video games). Microsoft's x86 emulation on ARM is downright atrocious. A native ARM version of Visual Studio could keep me productive, but I'm not about to spend money on a new computer than runs all my favorite old…

The full Windows 10 runs on ARM64 since 2017. See here for all architectures of Windows. [1]

And the deal is that current ARM processors have higher IPC than even the latest Intel and AMD processors and are much more diverse. The biggest ARM CPUs have 128 cores that have higher multi-threaded performance than any CPU by Intel/AMD and a Cortex-X2 has higher IPC than any Intel/AMD.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_vers...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by sliken »

skohan wrote: post #287
Shorel wrote: post #170

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True, at that point Linux becomes very competitive.

How is the Linux on Arm situation currently? I mean specifically for desktop Linux?

Asahi linux has a port for the M1. Accelerated 3d isn't supported yet, but recently his a milestone of a working rendered triangle.

So not yet, but seems pretty close. Marcan has a Patreon if you want to support it.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by andoriyu »

guelo wrote: post #102
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

I'm not convinced that Apple's advantage is due to ARM vs x86. I think it has more to do with Apple's exclusive rights to TSMC's most advanced proccess. After all Apple is also beating Qualcomm's ARM Android CPUs.

Qualcomm hasn't made a single Qualcomm core since Apple released their first aarch64 SoC. Qualcomm had zero competition and decided to not really work on anything. Apple blindsided it with its very competitive aarch64 cores, Qualcomm had nothing to show, so they switched to ARM's core design.

Customers kept paying Qualcomm for their SoC with ARM designed cores, so once again, Qualcomm had no reason to actually do anything but sit on their patents.

Intel had a similar story, since Sandy Bridge "x86_64" part of CPU barely changed, most of the performance gain was somewhere from better process, more custom instructions (avx2, etc.), higher TDP (since ryzen).

It's not ARM vs x86, it's Apple ARM cores vs everyone elses cores.

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Post by lynguist »

skohan wrote: post #287
Shorel wrote: post #170

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True, at that point Linux becomes very competitive.

How is the Linux on Arm situation currently? I mean specifically for desktop Linux?

Pretty much every distribution and software package is available in ARM64. You will not miss anything.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by redox99 »

haunter wrote: post #163

I'll switch once I can play my full Steam library on a machine like this. The power is there for sure.

The comparison Apple makes with NVIDIA GPUs is very exaggerated. But yes, it should be able to game.
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