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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jerryzh »

doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

To be fair when MacBook move to typec one can charge on both sides for many years, and I kind of look forward to a future when all port use typec But when it comes to inside Mac by no mean compares to framework

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Liskni_si »

csdvrx wrote: post #477
Liskni_si wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A keyboard qualifies as a "thinkpad keyboard" if has all of the following: > PageUp above Left, PageDown above Right: to me, that's the most important thing ever! > PrintScreen between right Alt and right Ctrl: very important too That's not a proper ThinkPad keyboard at all. That's the new 6-row fake which has 10 fewer keys than a proper ThinkPad keyboard, which is this one: https://laptopkeys.com/uploads/704_13487…

That's what available now: except on the T25, the old layout is no longer found on modern Thinkpads. This modern layout has advantages: for example, the space between the keys makes it more comfortable to use with nails, so I no longer have to keep them short.

> This modern layout has advantages: for example, the space between the keys makes it more comfortable to use with nails, so I no longer have to keep them short.

Layout and the shape of keys are orthogonal concepts.

But yeah, you're right that there aren't many options these days, and the T25 is getting old. :-(

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by oblio »

reaperducer wrote: post #292
loginatnine wrote: post #229

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I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

It's very much a work in progress, especially since overall progress is happening at the same time.

27 countries need to coordinate to first agree to grant the EU the power to take over some aspects and then those same 27 countries need to actually do the work, together with the EU, to standardize that aspect. Then the standard needs to be adopted and enforced.

The EU has less power than a confederation, which is a very weak supra-statal organization. So everything is very, very slow.

The EU is gradually able to do more and more, but the time frames are decades long.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by oblio »

mhitza wrote: post #216
dathinab wrote: post #210

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The problem is (my guess) Logistics is hard. Amazon might make it look easy but it really isn't (and Amazon is not available in all EU countries either!). Logistics is more then just shipping, but also returns, repairs, availability, shipping time, shipping costs, where and how to keep stock. And this points affect each other, i.e. they might not have enough supply to sell to the whole EU market etc. Lastly while the…

What do you mean by "Amazon is not available in all EU countries". Do you mean like a country specific TLD? Because that is true, but order and delivery is not a problem from any EU country as far as I know.

If it's not localized, it might as well not exist for 95% of customers in a country.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by oblio »

nrp wrote: post #149
mssdvd wrote: post #89

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What are the main reasons for not shipping to other EU / EEA countries?

Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

Just make the US keyboard version available everywhere and worry about local keyboards later, when people ask for them.

Your audience is probably 90% devs and sysadmins, who most definitely can at least handle en_us.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by gonehome »

doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Does suspend work reliably? Is battery life ok? Does the trackpad suck?

I’m tempted but every time I’ve tried so far to leave Mac hardware I regret it - seems even harder now with M1 performance.

Still, the framework laptop is super cool. Might be worth trying anyway.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by lillecarl »

nrp wrote: post #475
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #445

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This is interesting: over the last several months, a friend has been running NixOS on a Framework and has been told by Framework employees that they can’t help him with Linux kernel issues because he’s using an unsupported OS and he’s also had lots of complaints about battery life and power management. I love the idea of the Framework, but it seems to suffer from all the issues that made me switch to MacBooks in the…

We would love to be able to provide more personalized service for different Linux distros, but we unfortunately just don't have the necessary expertise to be able to do that well. For Linux-related service requests, we first ask that folks try an Ubuntu 22.04 or Fedora 36 Live USB (the distros we have done the most internal testing with and created setup guides for) to be able to determine whether there could be a ha…

You know, not to promote NixOS too much but the reproducibility of it makes this specific OS especially easy to support. There's already a community driven hardware support module to use [1]. If you look at it it doesn't hold a lot of things though, since NixOS is quite bleeding edge (Wi-Fi already supported) and you Framework is otherwise quite Linux friendly (Please make a 1080p-ish display tho, until Wayland is 4 real).

LPT: NixOS installs by themselves aren't good for much, use NixOS-hardware and look into power configurations if you have specific requirements.

1: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/blob/master/framewor...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by ProZsolt »

efsavage wrote: post #294
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

> The aspect ratio is great for coding If I ever need to buy a laptop this would be a huge feature for me, I would love if they still made 4:3 displays for desktops, it's so much better for the triple-wide setup I prefer, especially on the sides.

Curved ultrawide is the way to go. I can run three apps side-by-side on my a 38" Dell.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by popol12 »

gigatexal wrote: post #396
doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

The new revision with the 12-gen chips does it fix the complaints people have had about loud fan noise? I am super on the fence between this and an arm mac - this is super customizable but the arm chips in the air are silent — no fan.

If you’re on Linux, this does the job https://community.frame.work/t/linux-fan-speed-controller-wi...
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