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Rocket Mortgage to trim 8% of workforce as home-loan market shrinks

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Re: Rocket Mortgage to trim 8% of workforce as home-loan market shrinks

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How this downsizing looks from a client's point of view: I have almost finished a 4 months long process of buying a summer house (including one failed deal), and my first financial agent - a very bright and fast girl - was fired right in the middle of my first transaction... and nobody told me a word about it - neither the manager, not the new agent, so I was sitting in the dark for a week or so. The agent that I got…

I tried using Rocket last year for a mortgage and had a similar experience, aside from starting with a helpful employee. The folks I tried to work with were unresponsive and extremely unhelpful. One thing that blew my mind was how terrible most mortgage companies I contacted are. I lost count of how many places I contacted that were slow and unhelpful about everything, and it kind of blew my mind. I was reaching out…

I can't speak for the places that you contacted, but I know where I work there was a large amount of work for a staff that hadn't ramped up to meet the demand. There were people who coordinated closings that were working 80+ hours a week for almost a year in order to barely keep up with demand.

"There must be some pretty large moats in this industry because most shops are clearly not competing on competence or customer service."

There is. It is a capital intensive business that has licensing requirements for every state that you do business in. There are mortgage companies that will loan you the money and then turn around and sell that loan to an investor who would then service the loan. There are also mortgage companies that will loan you the money and also service the loan for its entire lifetime. In the case of the former, you can make your money back relatively quickly as you should be trying to sell the loan to an investor around the time of closing but there is risk in doing so. If you haven't done your due diligence about the borrower and something negative about the borrower comes to light (such as borrower lying about income) then the company that is buying the loan can pull out and now you are on the hook for a large loan that you issued to somebody who may not be qualified. With the latter, your income is going to be slow at first since you would only be making money from monthly payments.

Re: Rocket Mortgage to trim 8% of workforce as home-loan market shrinks

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It is. You can just look at the US and Canada over the same time period to see how out of wack Canada is. Canada is basically the US minus the 2008 crash. It's just price inflations non-stop for 20 plus years.

Isn't it 40 years?? My understanding is prices crashed hard in the 70s, there was a slight decline in 1990 and 2008, and other than that they've been going up 5-10% per year.

The last big crash was 1990 in Toronto. Price dropped and didn't recover until the early 2000's.

https://urbaneer.com/blog/when-dreams-of-domesticity-became-...

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By negotiating do you mean taking points? I can’t imagine many lenders are willing to go below prime for a 30 year conforming loan.

I'm in escrow with less than 4% today w no points. Took some negotiating

How to negotiate rates? What do you usually tell them in the phone ?

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I'm in escrow with less than 4% today w no points. Took some negotiating

How to negotiate rates? What do you usually tell them in the phone ?

Shop around. Ask about relationship deals for assets under management. Ask about getting closing costs credited towards points. Tell them if you have a better offer and ask if there's any discounts the underwriter can offer

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> Going in debt for 30-40 years has zero appeal for me Going into debt at the lowest interest rate you'll ever be offered to buy a leveraged asset that's likely to increase in price and reduce the overhead you pay on your largest expense, housing, and hedge against the risk of rent increases and security against the whims of landlords? > Germany Oh, Germany. Somehow Germany has escaped the constantly increasing house…

> Going into debt at the lowest interest rate you'll ever be offered to buy a leveraged asset that's likely to increase in price and reduce the overhead you pay on your largest expense, housing, and hedge against the risk of rent increases and security against the whims of landlords? Look, if I had enough money around, I'd maybe consider the gamble. But I don't want to buy property to sell it later, I just want to li…

I just wanted to say that I agree 100% with your worldview. It's hard to explain it here often. Maybe it's a Protestant thing? From Estonia here.

Re: Rocket Mortgage to trim 8% of workforce as home-loan market shrinks

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post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How this downsizing looks from a client's point of view: I have almost finished a 4 months long process of buying a summer house (including one failed deal), and my first financial agent - a very bright and fast girl - was fired right in the middle of my first transaction... and nobody told me a word about it - neither the manager, not the new agent, so I was sitting in the dark for a week or so. The agent that I got…

I tried using Rocket last year for a mortgage and had a similar experience, aside from starting with a helpful employee. The folks I tried to work with were unresponsive and extremely unhelpful. One thing that blew my mind was how terrible most mortgage companies I contacted are. I lost count of how many places I contacted that were slow and unhelpful about everything, and it kind of blew my mind. I was reaching out…

I think this is because many mortgage processes are still old timey and rely on manual interactions by telephone and e-mail. So if they are busy and overwhelmed, they can’t respond. Even when people try to dump new business on them.

I refinanced in fall of 2020 and contacted a few companies off bankrate. Some send spam automailers, but better.com had a quick first contact and everything else was automated and quick. The estimates were autogenerated so no waiting on a loan officer to create spreadsheets and fill informs. And all the underwriting was tracked through a web site so no manual emailing or scanning or anything.

It was a pretty efficient process and it was nice to not have to wait on humans. I did have to cal once or twice and they were very responsive.

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house ownership is just a legal construct. you don't really own the house, even when it's paid off. even if you own, and pay off the entire house, you'll still have to pay "rent" in the form of property taxes, an unfortunate reality.

In some places that can be a lot of money. Like New York, I hear property taxes are close to half your mortgage. In places like Washington, property taxes amount to a few thousand dollars a year on a modest house. I'll pay that over $2000/mo in rent any time.

About a third of my mortgage payment here in chicago is for escrow.

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Here you go https://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/07/housing-pr...

According to this, home prices were mostly flat from 1900 up until the 1970s. The proves the opposite of the point you are trying to make.

This is adjusted for inflation

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Same. I think the days of 2+ month locks are over. I've talked to half a dozen lenders since the new year and the longest lock they'd give without massive upfront fees was 60 days.

We got a 90 day from Chase in February for nothing, all we had to do was ask for 90 instead of the 60 they wanted to give us, and after about 10 seconds of typing he said that was fine. I think we're a far cry away from "the days of 60+ day rate locks are over"

Interesting. I didn't talk to Chase specifically, because even as one of their better customers, the rate they offered was at least 0.5% higher than every other place, so I didn't even bother.

Re: Rocket Mortgage to trim 8% of workforce as home-loan market shrinks

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Whole-term-fixed rates are pretty uncommon in Europe. Fixes of 2, 5 sometimes 10 years are products most providers offer, but as the term increases, the rate shoots up, to offset rate uncertainty. My question is: why would you fix for 30yr when you know you're paying multiple points to offset market uncertainty? Remortgaging every couple of years takes a bit of time, and shopping around, but is much cheaper.

> why would you fix for 30yr when you know you're paying multiple points to offset market uncertainty? At least in the US it is always better to get a fixed rate loan (meaning fixed for the life of the loan, typically 30 years). This means your mortgage payment can never go up no matter how high rates climb in the market. But if rates go down, you can always refinance to a lower rate and ratchet your payments down an…

> At least in the US it is always better to get a fixed rate loan (meaning fixed for the life of the loan, typically 30 years).

I don't know about that. I recently got a 10/1 ARM at 3.75% for my second home and it was a full 1.125% below a 30 fixed due to FHFA changes [0].

[0]: https://www.ezhomesearch.com/blog/second-home-mortgage-rates....

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