A good friend of mine was a nurse practitioner in cancer care here for 17 years, and quit last year to do contract work in interesting places. She's unmarried, no kids, etc., so I think it's a little bit of a "shake things up" thing but also a little bit "make hay while the sun shines." Her most recent gig was in Antarctica. I mean, cool, right?
I would love to spend a winter at the south pole station. The biggest downside of being able to do my job remotely means I'll never get sent to cool places. :(
Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?
here in germany nurses make 15€ And in switzerland nearly the double. I can understand their frustration and those who can leave or get new jobs.
Besides they need their health workers too.
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
The healthcare system in the US clearly has nothing to do with free markets considering how unbelievably opaque and regulated everything is.
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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?
here in germany nurses make 15€ And in switzerland nearly the double. I can understand their frustration and those who can leave or get new jobs.
For example, I have to pay $9000 a year BEFORE my insurance starts covering healthcare costs. (at $5000 my insurance starts paying out and I owe 10% of the bill). My insurance does not cover medicine costs at all.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#495I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…
Agree with all of this, and just to add one thing: liability. Look at the RaDonda Vaught case or the Michelle Heughins case; terrifying to be looking at jail time for a med error. Many nurses are watching these cases more closely and deciding that since staffing isn't getting any better and they won't be protected, it's not worth the risk.
* Vaught stated her department was not understaffed, nor was she tired. The incident also occurred in 2017, so pre-pandemic
* Vaught went to dispense Versed (generic name midazolam) by the brand name, instead of the generic name as they're trained to do. This led to her selecting vercuronium bromide instead
* Vaught stated she had dispensed midazolam several times before, which would have had to have been by the generic name
* Vaught ignored several warnings from the dispensing machine stating the patient was not prescribed vercuronium bromide
* Vaught ignored the red cap on the vial dispensed that stated it was a paralytic agent
* Vaught ignored that vercuronium bromide needed to be reconstituted with sterile water (unlike midazolam, which comes as a liquid). She stated she thought it was odd that she didn't have to reconstitute it before when dispensing the correct medicine
* Vaught did not scan in the medication before or after giving it to the patient, which would have likely prompted another warning about it not being prescribed
* Vaught could not recall exactly how much she gave to the patient
* Vaught immediately left the room after injection, and did not wait to observe the patient for any side-effects
All of this information is available in the DA discovery documents (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6785652-RaDonda-Vaug...) and the CMS report (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5346023-CMS-Report.h...).
The opinions on the case I've observed have been nurses who aren't aware of this and saying she should not have been convicted, and the nurses who are aware who think the conviction is fair ...ish. The latter is at least unanimous she should have her license revoked.
Most agree that Vanderbilt should be held responsible for negligence as well. My wife's hospital for instance does not stock _any_ paralytics within machines, to prevent it being accidentally dispensed without involving the pharmacy. There's also evidence that Vanderbilt tried to cover the incident up.
I've made a point of stressing to any RN I've talked about it with the importance of having a lawyer with you when talking with investigators. Vaught straight up incriminated herself multiple times during her initial interview.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#496I have a close relation that works for one of the oldest pediatric hospitals in the country. It was recently revealed that they will be shuttering almost all pediatric services in the next year because they can 10x their profits by only serving elderly clients. The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… Sometimes, it feels like we’re min-maxing ourselves t…
We’re facing some massive generational crises at this point, and it feels like the only solution is to wait for the current leadership to die off, and hope the gen x’ers fix it. The WWII generation fixed the ozone hole, but their kids didn’t lift a finger for global warming. Subsequent generations are scrambling to pick up the pieces for our kids, while crap like this, and our rapidly collapsing democracy keep sabota…
Let's not pretend these are comparable challenges.
> our rapidly collapsing democracy keep sabotaging our efforts.
When people say stuff like this, are they being hyperbolic or do they actually mean it? How long is the democratic tradition in the US that is collapsing?
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?
Without starting values and locations (COL) you can’t compare values in this way.
To be honest, I am amazed that Canada has a healthcare system left.
Decades of mismanagement and underinvestment aside, almost any Canadian healthcare worker can cross the border and instantly see a substantial pay bump and increase in QoL.
I do imagine within the next 20 years, Canadian healthcare is going to look vastly different. Like something from an emerging market, where sure there is universal healthcare, but you generally avoid it if you have the means.
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Jfc that is terrible.
But the electorate continues to reward "tough on crime" prosecutors. Their incentives are all towards maxing out the savagery towards defendants, systemic repercussions be damned. From the article: > Janie Harvey Garner, the founder of Show Me Your Stethoscope, a nursing group on Facebook with more than 600,000 members, worries the conviction will have a chilling effect on nurses disclosing their own errors or near e…
Bingo! I have a friend in the UK who organizes "post-mortem" (no pun intended) workshops and process training for hospital staff, precisely to do the NTSB-like thing after medical procedure errors occur. Rather than trying to point fingers and identify scapegoats, the central question is: "what went wrong here, and how do we reduce the chances of that happening again?"
Of course, occasionally the answer might be "We hired the wrong person, and we should fire them", but that seems to be only very rarely true.