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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The extent of the "censorship" is getting ridiculous. It is an overreach of the platforms.

Why would you imagine that anyone has a right to have their content on youtube. How is it in any way overreach. Surely its users can vote with their fingertips for a different site if they have a problem with it.

Users have just as much right to complain about policies they find ridiculous as they do to leave.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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I agree with this sentiment, although I agree it's stupid that The Hill was suspended. If anyone wants to give a reason why these arguments are always about freedom of speech VS censorship, instead of being about private property + free markets, please I'm open to this.

1. Markets fails under the weight of monopolies. Youtube needs to be broken up or regulated. 2. There was a supreme court decision that a platform (in that case a large mall) that makes itself a de-facto public square has to act like one, accruing responsibility to protect speech. I believe this is the right link: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/583/pruneyard-s...

1. People without content share video on the internet and even sell it on plenty of sites. You might as easily not organically get it front of as many people who aren't explicitly looking for it but you can certainly share it and your content being unpopular doesn't imply that they have a monopoly.

2. Regarding the shopping mall they found the CA state constitution not the US constitution protected their right to promote nazi literature at the mall. It is also completely bonkers nonsense and invention. It is in fact the exact sort of judicial invention our current majority claims to be against it says.

> Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of this right. A law may not restrain or abridge liberty of speech or press.

It nowhere says that the mall ought to provide a venue. Notably it says you may publish not someone else must publish for you with their ink and paper.

This is just CA making up law from whole cloth to suit their disposition.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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It depends how you see "left" and "right". I see the left as promoting equality, and generally freedom, and the right justifying or increasing inequality. An authoritarian system by definition gives far more power to some people than others, which is an idea of the right. However, systems of government in practice are generally not strictly left or right, and you get the likes of the Soviet Union which gave some degr…

Left to me feels more pro fairness but anti freedom. Either way though in most conceptualizations libertarianism/authoritarianism is usually separated from left/right https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Political_Compass_stand...

It depends what freedoms you are talking about. In a communist system you wouldn't have the freedom to own somebody else's house and charge them rent, for example. It's interesting how we throw around concepts like "left" and "right", or "liberal" and "conservative", either not understanding what they mean, or having many different understandings. I'm puzzled about how we manage to communicate at all, but maybe we don't.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Seems a bit weird, there is quite a story there [0]. In the grand scheme of things is looks like a pretty routine case of potential corruption, but that being associated with the president's son like a big deal. Vigorously suppressing the story was a pretty suspect move. The complaint seems to be that the corruption he was probably involved in is slightly different than the corruption Trump was talking about. Which a…

Making up a story about someone doesn't make it a story worth reporting until they disprove it, there should actually be some substance as table stakes. > In the grand scheme of things is looks like a pretty routine case of potential corruption, but that being associated with the president's son like a big deal If you're making the claim that simply being on a board of directors or part of a venture firm because of w…

He's being subjected to a federal criminal investigation. There is a bit more there than "simply being on a board". It is a big story and deserves public investigation to find out what was going on. The world is currently teetering on the edge of a Russia-Ukraine * war spiralling in to a US-Russia war. It is materially interesting what business connections the US president has with (famous for being corrupt I might add) Ukraine. Especially if they involve cash for influence. These things matter.

And, frankly, the reason these left-leaning outlets were suppressing the story was because to a lot of people the situation does meet the standard of ipso facto corruption. It seems clear that the people who were interacting with Hunter thought they were buying influence in the US political apparatus, probably the executive given his father's position; otherwise the decisions don't make a lot of sense. To a lot of people that basically is corruption. Although I doubt it is unusual in the US Congress if we poked around a little.

EDIT, was Russia-US war. My bad.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The extent of the "censorship" is getting ridiculous. It is an overreach of the platforms.

I disagree, if you don’t like it you can move to another platform. No one is forcing you to use it. For that matter “The Hill” can create their own. Always silly, the entitlement to someone else platform based on some misunderstanding of censorship and the 1st amendment.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The 136-page 2nd interim report of the Office of Special Counsel of the state of Wisconsin, recently released, raises troubling issues. See especially: Chapter 6: Wisconsin Election Officials’ Widespread Use of Absentee Ballot Drop Boxes Facially Violated Wisconsin Law. Chapter 7: The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) Unlawfully Directed Clerks to Violate Rules Protecting Nursing Home Residents, Resulting in a 100…

Citizens have names. There's no reason to try and rely on statistical analysis to suggest whether improper voting has occurred. Provide evidence, not conjecture.

From the table on p. 89

In Milwaukee County, 30 nursing homes vetted, 1084 registered voters, 1084 votes, 100%

In Racine County, 12 nursing homes vetted, 348 registered voters, 348 votes, 100%

In Dane County, 24 nursing homes vetted, 723 registered voters, 723 votes, 100%

Etc.

An exemplar of the problem is detailed in the case filed in Waukesha County, Wisconsin, by one Paul Archambault on behalf of his mother, "Jane Doe", who was "adjudicated as incompetent by the Waukesha County Circuit Court due to a degenerative brain disorder on June 23, 2015." But, it was discovered that, "Jane Doe had cast ballots in the August 11, 2020 Partisan Primary, and the November2020 General Election".

https://empowerwisconsin.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Summ...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Why would you imagine that anyone has a right to have their content on youtube. How is it in any way overreach. Surely its users can vote with their fingertips for a different site if they have a problem with it.

Users have just as much right to complain about policies they find ridiculous as they do to leave.

Yes but they have no right moral or legal to force tech companies to be complicit in the spreading of their malicious lies.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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And that’s fine. Not everybody can or has to be heard by everybody else. There no such as a thing as an expectation to be heard by others. That becomes more problematic and debatable once infrastructure companies such as a DNS provider or a hosting company refuses to deal with some content given that you remove the ability to create your own soapbox.

Just to note, the US legal definition of free speech, at least according to the courts, includes the expectation to be heard by others. There is actually such a thing as a right to an audience; free speech is not fulfilled if someone is excluded from any space where someone may hear them.

> There is actually such a thing as a right to an audience

A right to access to an audience, not a right to an audience.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Because then Google (YouTube) would force the competing app off the Google (Android) App Store for not meeting Google's (YouTube) own censorship policies.

Why do you believe this?

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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If it's nonsense, then why censor it? If it's not nonsense, then why censor it?

This argument would work equally well to support spreading neo-nazi propaganda material. Trite catchphrases are nothing to base a belief system around. An argument doesn't have to make logical sense for it to convince millions of people. Especially not if they like the conclusion.

That's Godwin's law territory. I remember being taught in the very liberal NY schools I went to that the ACLU defending the free speech rights of Nazis in Illinois was part of the deal in a free society, and in this case we're not even talking about Nazis. But I'll defend to the death your right to say ridiculous nonsense.
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