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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by sailingparrot »

daenz wrote: post #353
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Because otherwise there is approximately nothing the federal government can do to end the blockade if the protestor don't leave by themselves. No matter if most of the population want it to end.

This allows the federal government to send the army if necessary (although Trudeau said they wouldn't), allows the police to fine and detain protestor that do not want to leave the blockade. And allows the federal government to require private companies to provide services, in this case towing companies to tow the rigs.

It also allows for freezing bank accounts of e.g. companies that have trucks participating in the blockade without a court mandate.

I think, but I am not sure, that this only applies to "strategic sites", in this case the border and maybe highways. Protester blocking a random street in Ottawa may not be concerned.

So, why require the mandate: To prevent the slim minority of truckers participating in the blockade from impacting everyone else for months.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by gwicks56 »

Jackim wrote: post #54
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

I'm sure Trump could have come up with reason BLM protesters were doing something illegal, and needed to shut down their bank accounts.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by rasz »

MattGaiser wrote: post #67
nirav72 wrote: post #33

This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

"Support for Eugenics in Canada

In the early 20th century, eugenic policies were considered progressive among many Canadians, including some socialists, feminists, farmers and psychiatrists. Their assumption was that Canadian society could be improved by encouraging reproduction among certain groups — particularly Anglo-Saxon Protestants — and discouraging or limiting reproduction among other groups, including Eastern European immigrants and, increasingly, Indigenous people. (Similarly, immigration policies like the Chinese head tax were aimed at limiting the population of Asian Canadians.)

Many prominent Canadians of that era were advocates of eugenics philosophy and eugenic sterilization, including Dr. E.W. McBride, Professor Carrie Derick and Dr. Helen MacMurchy. Support for eugenic sterilization was also expressed in the 1920s by many prominent Alberta women, including Emily Murphy and Nellie McClung. Maternal feminists like McClung, for example, argued that women were the mothers and guardians of their “race.” They therefore championed legislation, including sterilization, which aimed to curtail prostitution, alcoholism and “mental defectiveness.”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Ca...

Jun 3, 2021 "Indigenous women still forced, coerced into sterilization" https://globalnews.ca/news/7920118/indigenous-women-steriliz...

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by epgui »

daenz wrote: post #353
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Because the few who don’t comply to public health recommendations/orders are responsible for the greater share of the economic burden of disease, and this burden was totally preventable.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by philistine »

rafale wrote: post #263
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended an…

You lost me at "closer to an insurrection".

Their core demand up until two days ago was to depose our current federal government and replace it with a their own government. When is a cat not a cat? How clear must it be for you to understand?

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by pomdapi »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #111
tomohawk wrote: post #4

He must think these mandates are like violence. When it doesn't work, you have to double down and do more. You can't possibly take a step back and have a dialog.

He's a spoiled brat that has never been told 'no' in his life in any meaningful way. Now he's an adult in a position of power, learning far too late what it means to compromise, have a dialog, or even bother understanding what others want. It's something he should have learned in his tween years instead of while leading a large industrialized country.

Spot on.

Then again, when he was a student, it didn't help even later in that regard having family give a huge shush payout to some underage girl's parent's for an undisclosed bad act.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by gruez »

squarefoot wrote: post #274

I'm usually all in favor of workers protesting; not this time however. During war time food and resources are rationed; does people complain against the government? Nope. So why during a pandemic that in just two years killed 5 fucking millions people -and counting- should they protest against perfectly sound measures? Am I missing something, or "get vaccinated" doesn't even sound close to "one loaf of bread per day…

Enemy within vs enemy outside. If it was found that china was behind covid all along, you can bet that all hesitation would evaporate.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by bawolff »

MattGaiser wrote: post #36
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

The emergency act is not the same as calling the military.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by rvz »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

It doesn’t matter. They can now quickly join in a Signal group and use a private, untraceable cryptocurrency called MobileCoin to send money to each other without the government knowing since it is all E2EE.

After all, extremists either left or right, terrorists and criminals have been doing that for years on Signal.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by [deleted] »

alphabettsy wrote: post #214
1024core wrote: post #5

It is ironical that Trudeau is whining about these "protests" now, when they're at home. He was singing a different tune when farmers in India were doing similar things: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-concern...

Edit: I’ll avoid commenting on other nations events that I don’t understand.

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