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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by LAC-Tech »

Johnny555 wrote: post #322
amrrs wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

I'm highly underpaid for the same work. A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life. So comparing your salary to American workers doesn't really say anything about whether or not you're "underpaid", but it's how your salary compares to others in…

> A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life.

It has nothing to do with CoL and everything to do with a company paying what they think is competitive with the other options you have.

I live somewhere with a higher CoL than the states. American companies open branches here, and pay much lower, local salaries.

Thinking it has anything to do with CoL is pure "Just World" fallacy.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by cercatrova »

duxup wrote: post #490
cercatrova wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

I know a guy who tried that. He thought he was pretty good at his job and took a second job. His coworkers (included me) felt like he was slimy and was not good at his job. Everyone was suspicious of the dude and finally one day his boss’s boss called him for an emergency, and he said the company name while answering his phone… the other company he worked for. Company fired him, told the other company, and threatened…

I thought your comment was familiar [0]. Yes, it seems there's always a risk involved. Better to simply be a contractor and work your own hours, and if a client gets mad, you can easily say you were working for another client during those hours.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29633539

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by LAC-Tech »

angrais wrote: post #190
amrrs wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

Are you paid a fair market rate for your geographical location in India? (i.e., are other local companies offering worse or better benefits?)

There's no such thing as a 'fair' rate.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dragonwriter »

Johnny555 wrote: post #322
amrrs wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

I'm highly underpaid for the same work. A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life. So comparing your salary to American workers doesn't really say anything about whether or not you're "underpaid", but it's how your salary compares to others in…

> A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life

Nope, the justification is just “they can be paid less”. The rest is irrelevant.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by duxup »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #88

It's like the flip version of the guy that got let go and then re-recruited for his just vacated position. https://twitter.com/firr/status/1456324664628846599

I was laid off after my employer was bought and broken up.

I was later contacted and asked to apply for my old position at the company who bought those parts.

I was probably one of maybe a hundred people with 10 years experience in X, most already were employed at that company and had referred me.

I didn’t make it through the HR screening because they upped the educational requirement to a masters degree.

I didn’t feel too bad about missing out considering how that played out.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by duxup »

notpachet wrote: post #199
DrBoring wrote: post #78

Coming soon: a service that will have ringers do Zoom interviews on your behalf while using real-time deep fake tech to look and sound just like you. All the pieces of the technology required to do something like that may already exist today.

You just described the plot of Gattaca.

Just remember what hand to hold it with!

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by duxup »

cercatrova wrote: post #492
duxup wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a guy who tried that. He thought he was pretty good at his job and took a second job. His coworkers (included me) felt like he was slimy and was not good at his job. Everyone was suspicious of the dude and finally one day his boss’s boss called him for an emergency, and he said the company name while answering his phone… the other company he worked for. Company fired him, told the other company, and threatened…

I thought your comment was familiar [0]. Yes, it seems there's always a risk involved. Better to simply be a contractor and work your own hours, and if a client gets mad, you can easily say you were working for another client during those hours. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29633539

I agree contract work or … just ask.

Some companies will say no but it seems plausible someone could find a way to transition someone to a contract type situation if they really are valuable.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by lotophage »

kumarvvr wrote: post #471
PeterWhittaker wrote: post #236

Late ‘90s. Rapid growth, many interviews. Got used to taking CVs with a grain of salt. Had the best and worst interview experiences ever. The best: really strong CV, older candidate, really poor English. Frustrating process, more for him than us, he is struggling so hard. Finally he stands up, grabs my pen and my colleague’s pad, and sketches DB schema. Uses the pen to point back and forth between the CV and the sket…

What kind of a Database Schema elicits a "wow" !

One for managing Doge memes. It elicits much wow, in fact.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dvtrn »

MattGaiser wrote: post #209
Tade0 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll do you one better. My friends from a team I used to be in had a guy who simply didn't know how to code. My friend would at times act as a ghostwriter(for free) so that the poor bastard wouldn't get fired. Eventually the guy was promoted . The Dilbert principle is real.

Management often spends so little time with you that the difference between them perceiving lots of work and little work comes down to what you say in your daily standup.

I’m a fully remote worker.

To my managers the work I do is a lot.

To me it’s about 4 hours a day. There’s no deceit in this. What I tell them I’m working on is what I’m working on, what I’ve declared as ‘finished’ is factually ‘finished’.

To the company, I’m still contributing the things I agreed to, responsive to the people who come to me for help (as a senior) and on track with the projects assigned to me.

When the wall comes and I just cannot will myself to stare at the same problem anymore, that’s it for the day. Sometimes that takes longer than others, sometimes it’s 5 hours instead of four. Sometimes it’s a whole 8 hour day.

So..matter of perspective, I guess. The agency and autonomy are nice, though. Some people want a shorter work day given. I’ve just decided to take it.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

dustintrex wrote: post #437
klausjensen wrote: post #150

This is what the large Indian IT-outsourcing companies do at scale. When they need to win the contract, they bring in bright and very qualified people to win the client-org over. After the contract is won and the work begins, they replace them with completely unqualified staff, managed/whipped by moustache-wielding blue-shirts to read from support-scripts.

FWIW, this is not limited to Indian or IT companies. Many if not most consulting/banking/law companies have an "A-team" that gets trotted out to woo the customer, and as soon as the deal is sealed, the actual implementation is handed over to the Z-team of fresh grads.

Well of course! They can't ask the A-team to do the actual work, they are much too busy... interviewing with new potential clients!
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