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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mrtranscendence »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

I'll take not being able to drink on the street in some parts of the US if it means I can criticize the government without being harassed (or worse) by government officials.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by chernevik »

Verdex wrote: post #150
ekianjo wrote: post #33

> pursue their education somewhere So is it just a fake threat or are they really taking action?

Normally, I would think that this is a fake threat. However, it's written by Mitch Daniels who is also the same guy who froze Purdue's tuition for at least 7 years. So, I figure there's a chance he means it. Time will have to tell for sure though.

Daniels is the rare serious public servant.

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Post by smt88 »

mmaunder wrote: post #323
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Chinas pandemic outcome remains to be seen. Their zero Covid approach may prove increasingly challenging as new variants become more contagious and the rest of the world takes a maintenance approach. I think a centrally controlled society’s IQ is the sum if it’s leaders. A free society’s IQ is the sum of its people. That makes me optimistic about the prospects for the US.

We will never know China's pandemic outcome because the data their govt releases is not trustworthy. Perhaps you meant only their economic outcome?

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Post by justicezyx »

dfxm12 wrote: post #261
bostonsre wrote: post #148

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I personally haven't met anyone from China who has liked their government. I would assume there is some selection bias there and those that love their country are more likely to stay home, but would be really interested to talk to a true believer. I wouldn't be surprised if pressure was applied to those individuals to harass the one that spoke out against the party. The regime is brutal and most will toe the line whe…

Have you met them at a $30k+/yr university? I think that's an important piece of context here. The current Chinese system affords these students the ability to go to prestigious universities abroad. Things are going good for these students, so why wouldn't they like the government that grants them such privilege? Folks who've immigrated for other reasons might have a different experience...

Does Chinese government pay the tuition for these students? That sounds like too good to be true.

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Post by netcan »

outside1234 wrote: post #418
oxfeed65261 wrote: post #381

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Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

Why do they need proof of being a foreign entity? Just the intimidation should get them expelled.

Because the most intimidating part is arranging a secret police visit to his parents.

Students arguing politics, even if uncivil, isn't something you want to be "no tolerance" about. There are lines though, and this is one.

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Post by lazide »

bell-cot wrote: post #401
high_derivative wrote: post #314

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We are not doing adults any favours by infantilising them at university. It's a big part of the problem related to contemporary college culture.

True. But very often mommy & daddy - who write the checks for college tuition - expect the college to change his (metaphorical) diapers. And never dish out serious consequences for their failure to potty train him.

And university/college is generally when they hit the wall of reality that it can’t and won’t happen any more.

Agree there is pressure, but the more admins cave, the worse it is for everyone.

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Post by t-3 »

DFHippie wrote: post #303
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #262

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> I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? This is a legitimate comparison between the CCP and the government of Oklahoma. It is a bad comparison in terms of responses. China fears and represses discussion of the Tiananmen Square massacre. In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience.

> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…

I don't know about Oklahoma, but I did learn about the Tulsa Massacre in high school. I was also taught that it's my responsibility as a citizen to question my government and hold them to account, to never blindly trust them, and to reject nationalism. This is a pretty clear difference...

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Post by mrtranscendence »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #358
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #301

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Name a single one

Did you want to make sure it's the same one, that your preferred media outlets are talking about? It's more than one. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

? Banning the teaching of critical race theory in schools is not the same thing as banning any discussion of the Tulsa race massacre.
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