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Making the dislike count private across YouTube
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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#492Removing the dislike count is the worst possible thing YouTube could do. Youtube is not just people talking about their day or political content. It is practical content, like how-to videos, and entertainment. When you search how to do something the number one indicator it will be useful or helpful video is the dislikes. This is critical for sifting through all of the garbage videos that don’t work or aren’t related…
I am in support of dislike/downvote buttons being removed across all platforms, for the sole reason that people and groups misuse/abuse them. Legitimate opinions get silenced and squelched by the hivemind, or hidden by propaganda machines such as the JIDF.
You can make the same argument that like/upvote buttons also get misused and abused, but the consequences are not the same. You might disagree with this and justify your opinion by saying that misinformation is dangerous. But that's why you have a brain, so that you can make that decision for yourself! When you censor an opinion by downvoting something, you are making an unfair decision for future viewers of that content who would rather make that decision on their own.
Moderation/censorship of content that doesn't break the law should be illegal.
Edit 1: I should clarify that I wasn't necessarily referring to YouTube here. Likes and dislikes on YouTube are just for measuring engagement and don't reduce access to content. On other platforms, such as HN, hitting the downvote threshold removes it view (or makes it otherwise more difficult to read). To me, this is a weak form of censorship, making it harder to view the content, if not impossible for some people who have poor eyesight or mobility skills. If you have to explicitly toggle on a setting (i.e. showdead) or use JavaScript hacks to make this content visible, I think that's a big problem.
Edit 2: I'd love to continue contributing to the discussion, but ironically and unfortunately, I'm rate limited on this website by the moderators to 5 comments per day. So maybe now you can understand where I'm coming from with my seemingly absurd ideas. I don't even know why I continue to use a website that limits my ability to comment and use it effectively. Maybe I'll request deletion and become a permanent lurker, watching all you model citizens engage from a safe distance.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#493> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…
The change has been in the works since 2019 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/youtube-doesnt-like-... Was it "politically motivated" then? Or just when it confirms your own biases (now)?
>Was it "politically motivated" then?
It can be politically motivated now, and reputationally motivated then. It can also be both, then and now. We know nothing outside of what YouTube's PR department is telling us, and all PR is nonsense wrapped around bullshit.
It's pretty obvious why they're rolling it out now. YouTube spends a lot of its time suppressing signals it doesn't like.
But, in the end, who cares? Everybody not suffering from brain damage knows that YouTube manipulates the hell out of all of the public metrics; and everybody who isn't clinically dead knows that these things are gamed into uselessness.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#494> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…
Sorry I must have missed something. The quote you're addressing talks about smaller creators. Wouldn't this apply to smaller creators from both parties?
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#495> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…
>Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? I still am very confused by what you mean and what you're getting at with this.
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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#496Removing the dislike count is the worst possible thing YouTube could do. Youtube is not just people talking about their day or political content. It is practical content, like how-to videos, and entertainment. When you search how to do something the number one indicator it will be useful or helpful video is the dislikes. This is critical for sifting through all of the garbage videos that don’t work or aren’t related…
I am in support of dislike/downvote buttons being removed across all platforms, for the sole reason that people and groups misuse/abuse them. Legitimate opinions get silenced and squelched by the hivemind, or hidden by propaganda machines such as the JIDF. You can make the same argument that like/upvote buttons also get misused and abused, but the consequences are not the same. You might disagree with this and justif…
First: So anything that can be misused or abused should be abolished? That's your argument? I think I would prefer a more nuanced view and a more nuanced response.
Second: You claim here that downvoting an opinion "censors" it. All I can say to that is, you need to look up "censor" in the dictionary.
Third: You are seriously arguing that moderation should be illegal? Please tell me that was a joke.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#497Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.
> If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality.
If they actually believed in the rationale behind this change, they would get rid performance reviews for engineers at Youtube too.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#498The dislike button on YouTube videos is one of the few remaining signals that what you are seeing is propaganda. It hadn't occurred to me that this would happen (although it seems obvious) and it is unexpectedly frightening to me. I suppose the fallback will be videos with comments enabled, where people can 'like' a comment who is saying something common sense and reasonable in response to the content.
I think that seeing a overwhelmingly positive like to dislike ratio might hide signals that what you're viewing is propaganda. "If so many people like this, it probably has value." "There is always a few dislike from haters, safe to discard them."
Yes! I'm against this decision, but dislikes are so unreliable as indicators of propaganda that they might as well not be there. All they indicate is how the video was received by its audience (duh), and decent propaganda is designed to rig this game.
The only times I remember seeing a high dislike-to-like ratio are on things that went viral in the wrong circles, so internet decided to mass-downvote the for inconsequential reasons, like Rebecca Black's Friday or the announcement for some video game that isn't made to appeal to the "core gaming public".
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#499> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…
Sorry I must have missed something. The quote you're addressing talks about smaller creators. Wouldn't this apply to smaller creators from both parties?
The point of my comment is that the stated reason for this change is quite obviously bullshit.
Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube
#500> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…
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