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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Does relativity apply also to rotating reference frames?

Of course.

Is which object orbits which actually relative to a reference frame though? Does not seem like it should be.

The Sun has a certain mass, the Earth has a certain mass, the center of the point of orbit of both (barycenter? That seems to be the right term) is inside of the Sun no matter what frame you hang out in. What am I missing?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

It's hard to listen to recently, he's suggesting working out and eating vitamins instead of a vaccine. He still has an influence on people and he's spreading misinformation.

Rogan is against wearing masks but demands all of his guests to be tested for COVID-19 before going on his show which is kind of contradictory.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I came across a very thorough analysis of the Paul Saladino episode [0] the other day when I was researching him after a friend recommended his book. Seemed like he was cherry picking evidence pretty hard and that the majority of the evidence doesn't agree with his stance at all [0] https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/paul-saladino-on-...

I will read the full thing later but I find it hard to believe when you see this “Moreover, the current western lifestyle is characterized by high fat intake” Which is stated as fact when it’s not even true. Fat has been stripped out of everything. Even milk has the fat taken out of it. Look anywhere and you will see “fat free” And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be tota…

> And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be totally sure, what everyone always ignores is when saladino points out that there isn’t enough evidence to be sure of the lipid hypothesis of heart disease.

This is a common, but lazy, trope trotted out by people like Saladino. It's the same "It's just a theory" argument that climate change deniers use.

There is a lot of evidence showing that things like elevated LDL cholesterol has a cumulative (area under the curve) negative effect on heart health, and that saturated fat consumption is directionally negative for heart health. You'd be hard pressed to find an actual cardiologist or researcher who believes these things aren't true. So why do you choose to believe a known salesman with a conflict of interest in promoting his expensive supplements and books on the topic?

You seem to be assuming a specific conclusion is true and cherry-picking the single person who wants to sell that conclusion to you. There are plenty of citations to the contrary, many of which are in the article linked above.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie".

That's what's making people lose trust in institutions.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I'm not sure the article's method of measuring influence is valid.

- It assumes Twitter use is constant and its not losing users (I've deactivated my account, even though I hardly used it).

- It assumes Twitter hasn't improved bot detection since before

- It assumes that the issue is with Rogan rather than the guest (maybe it could be argued that Rogan is getting 'uninteresting' guests because of a waning influence)

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Bill Burr might be right, but there are, for example, people who think satirical news shows are actual credible news. I don't think what Joe Rogan does is much above a step beyond that sort of entertainment.

The Colbert Report did more to educate Americans about Super PACs than any legit news source: https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/stephen-colberts... Meanwhile Fox News continues to mislead Americans with active disinformation on a daily basis.

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

I've noticed that a lot of overly-confident people do this. They essentially have a list of preferred topics and always try to bring the conversation to those topics.

I don't mind this as much. At least they are talking about things that they are knowledgeable about. What I don't like is when people are overly confident about their YouTube degree. The armchair experts that need to prove how smart they are, even if you're an expert in the field they're talking about. It is excruciatingly painful.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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That's what Joe Rogan's show is all about. It's pretty much him talking about the same nonsense that anyone else would talk about when hanging out with their friends. He never pretended to be anything else, and it's why his show is so popular. That said, since he moved to Spotify I've hardly seen anything other than the occasional clip on AdTube. If you want high-brow stuff there's Lex Fridman's channel.

Lex Fridman is not highbrow or academic lol, hes a hype machine just like most tech media

I see. What podcasts do you follow?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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That's what Joe Rogan's show is all about. It's pretty much him talking about the same nonsense that anyone else would talk about when hanging out with their friends. He never pretended to be anything else, and it's why his show is so popular. That said, since he moved to Spotify I've hardly seen anything other than the occasional clip on AdTube. If you want high-brow stuff there's Lex Fridman's channel.

Lex Fridman does the same thing for non-robotics/AI issues. It's wild how someone so brilliant in one area can be so naïve in another.

I was cringing during his discussion with Rogan because of this.

It’s a common pitfall for a certain type of nerd to think that expertise in one area allows them to make claims in completely unrelated fields.

That and he didn’t challenge Rogan’s mostly unfounded claims about the COVID vaccine among other things. I understand that it must be difficult I do so as a guest, but for someone who fancies himself “rational” it was disappointing to say the least.

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